“What will Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman say about the shootings at Newtown, Conn.? Will we finally get serious about keeping assault weapons out of the hands of kooks? Or will we continue the string of assaults starting at Columbine, winding through Tucson, then back to Denver and now to Connecticut? I bet we continue acting like the kooks we spawn.”
“They all go on about your right to own a gun. But when was the last time your granny saved the day by taking out the emotional train wreck who tried to assassinate her at the mall. Normal people don’t get involved in fire fights. When our youngest children go to school then end up dead during the course of the morning lesson because of your right to own a gun, the time has come to deny you that right. This is not the Wild West. Time has moved on and so must we.”
“How ironic it is that the liberal Left that supports abortion is now claiming it’s the members of the NRA that have blood on their hands.”
“Leftists may loathe America’s ‘Leave It to Beaver’ days, but no one walked into schools in those times and started shooting — and there were plenty of guns around then. In fact, fully automatic weapons were still legal to own 50 years ago.”
“When sick people like this do these type of things, they are after publicity and of course our media people just give them all the publicity in the world. The news takes this story and beats it with a stick. I feel sorry for the parents of these children, but I feel we should not give the criminals what they want, which is publicity. I don’t think they should be aloud to plead insanity but be put to death immediately.”
Arizona Willie posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Dec 21, 2012.
DonMey, there are two things wrong with the stat there there are .171 accidental deaths per physician.
One, it is impossible for one physician to accidentally kill .171 people.
Second the use of the figure .171 makes it seem insignificant, whereas when expressed as one death per 5.83 ( 6 ) physicians it makes logical sense. Out of a random group of 600 physicians, 100 have accidentally caused a patients death.
Expressed that way it makes sense and people can understand it.
Then smartvoter drew the conclusion that doctors are 9000 times more dangerous than gun owners -- using his flawed statistics about guns and the number of gun owners and the number of gun deaths ( he only counted accidental gun deaths .. not murders or suicides ).
And, logically, he is comparing apples to oranges even if his stats were correct.
He is comparing deaths from two different causes that have no correlation.
smartvoter posted at 7:24 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.
DonMey-- thank you!!
We try so hard to bring some reality to the liberals, but it seems that we will never be able to.
DonMey posted at 4:54 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.
Willie - 1 death per 5.83 physicians IS 0.171 deaths per physician. If you're going to attack the math, at least make sure it is actually wrong.
smartvoter posted at 4:42 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.
Willie - One other thing I'd like to adress is the fact that you brought up responsibility,I always accept responsibility for what I do or say that's the way my parents raised me, I would'nt have it any other way, so please don't pretend like you know me because you don't.
Unlike your beloved king Obama who won't accept responsibility for anything he says or does except for GM IS ALIVE AND OSAMA IS DEAD those are the only 2 things he TAKES credit for everything else is someone elsess fault, that is the liberal wayof life.
smartvoter posted at 3:55 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.
Willie- That e-mail could be 5 years old for all I know and besides the info came from the dept. of HHS and the FBI so I didn't pass on any bogus information at all. Only what your wonderfull BIG GOVERNMENT posted.
Thanks for checking my spelling, now lets check out that word that you used up there in your 2nd paragraph the word stuph , I tried to find it the dictionary but it just was not there.
Try not to take everything that is posted as 100% truth because chances are pretty good that you have posted things that are not always 100% facts, I know you try but come on be realistic.
Arizona Willie posted at 2:21 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.
Smartvoter ... so you think it is ok to pass on bogus " statistics " if you didn't make them up?
It's ok to pass on stuph without even thinking about it to see if it is logical or true?
The material you posted was incorrect in just about every way possible.
The only thing that wasn't wrong in the " email " you posted was that it was in English.
And I didn't notice any incorrect spelling.
But mathematically and logically it was total trash.
No wonder you want to duck responsibility for it.
But if you pass on info like that I have to presume you believe it.
Just like the idiots that were passing on the emails that Obama was going to do a military takeover of the country if he lost the election.
What you post reflects on you ... whether you composed it or not.
smartvoter posted at 12:43 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.
Willie - I see that you cannot read and comprehend at the same time so this time I will type sloooowwwer so you can get it.
It was an e-mail I recieved. I didn't write it , come up with statisitcs or do any of the math. I simply past it on, sorry you got so confused.
Rockinroller- What about Switzerland that has a gun in every home the crime rate there is almost non existent. But I did not know that about Japan.
rockinroller posted at 12:07 pm on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.
Here's a startling statistic: In 2008 the US had over 50,000 deaths resulting from gunfire. In Japan they had 11.
Japan has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world. Assault weapons and rapid fire guns are prohibited by law.
Hmmmmm. Coincidence? I think not. Japan a more "peaceful" nation? All we need to do is look back to WWII for that answer.
C'mon, people: The writing's on the wall.
Arizona Willie posted at 8:25 am on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.
Smartvoter your stats are bogus.
Using your stats for # of physicians and # of accidental deaths I divide the physicians by the number of deaths and get one death per 5.83 physicians.
There are far more than 80 million guns loose in the U.S.
Many ( most ) owners have multiple weapons.
You calculated on the basis of one gun = one owner.
And, you only counted accidental deaths.
What about the murders and suicides?
Don't those count with you?
Try again. Get some better stats. The one's you came up with are whack.
smartvoter posted at 6:08 am on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.
This is from an e-mail I received about a week ago.
The number of Physicians in the U.S. is 700,000,
accidental deaths by Physicians is 120,000.
accidental deaths per Physician is 0.171
statistics courtesy of the U.S. Government Health and Human Services.
The number of guns in the U.S. is 80,000,000 (80million).
number of accidental deaths per year (all age groups) is 1500.
number of deaths per gun owner is 0000188.
statisitics courtesy the F.B.I
So given the stats. doctors are approx. 9000 times more dangerous then gun owners.
So for those of you on the LEFT I ask, should we have doctor controls or doctor bans?
Another e-mail I got about a year ago and some of you may have seen it also was written by an Austrailian police officer.
After the government there voted to ban gun ownership only the honest citizens turned in thier guns, The criminal element kept thiers and gun violence skyrocketed.
The murder rate went up, home invation went up, armed robberies went up and so on and so on. Is this what you want for America?
Bluepoet posted at 4:57 am on Thu, Dec 20, 2012.
RubidouxFalcon,
My point had nothing to do with abortion--it had to do with the political labels used. Since there are Liberals who are against abortion, Conservatives who are for right to choice, and NRA members who are also both Liberal and Conservative, the views expressed are not logical--only politically-charged rhetoric.
As for the abortion issue itself...I also do not support abortion. I have never actually met anyone who is...supporting the right to choose is not the same thing. I also don't support institutionalized killing, because it devalues life, as well. Yes, I think there are situations that call for killing, such as self-defense, or in defense of others. However, even in those cases, life is devalued. It is the price paid for taking a life. Those are facts...
RubidouxFalcon posted at 4:19 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.
Bluepoet,
So to be against abortion is to be stuck in the 1970s? I guess I'm stuck there too. I have no desire to support abortion in order to be in the cool, progressive crowd. Fact is, you abort children, you devalue life. That devaluation spreads to many areas of the community. Would anti abortion laws stop gun violence? Not immediately. But we must recommit to valuing life in this country before we can make progress toward reducing violence against life. It's pretty logical.
truth posted at 3:26 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.
First I would like to offer my condolence to everyone who was effected by the shooting in Newtown, Conn. No one should have to go through this. But I am furious and sickened by the news media and their phony night after night reporting of this tragedy. Lets put this in perceptive, in a study by Johns Hopkins thousands of children die needlessey because of lack of health care each year, 60% of children are likley to die in hospitals than with those with insurance. Lack of health insurance might have led or contributed to nearly 17,000 deaths among hospitalized children in the U.S. in a span of less than two decades. In a study 104,520 paitents died (0.47%) out of 22.2 million insured hospitalized children compared to 9,468 (0.75%) who died among the 1.2 million uninsured. In the uninsured group, there were 3,535 more deaths than expected. The research was funded by The Robert Garrett Fund For the Treatment of Children.
DonMey posted at 1:28 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.
Some comments from Thomas Jefferson I found:
""Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764. That was 230 years ago. -Thomas Jefferson"
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.-Thomas Jefferson"
This clearly invalidates the idiotic claim that the 2nd Amendment only applies to muskets.
Bluepoet posted at 1:03 pm on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.
Venter#1--And just how will legislating gun laws help? Don't get me wrong, I think guns should be limited to hunting rifles and shotguns with really long barrels...however, it's a bit late for all that, isn't it? Aside from mandating that all guns be made from materials that biodegrade within five years, what could possibly be done? No--unfortunately, passing laws banning guns is just not goint to be effective, especially with regard to the shootings of late. The focus should be on mental health care.
Venter#2--Yes, the arguement of guns being a deterrent to violence is specious and lacks logic (just like for Capital punishment). However, so is the arguement that banning guns will somehow reduce crazy violent acts being done to gatherings of people.
Venter#3--Your statement is more ironic than any conjured black and white image of Liberals and NRA members. Really, how does it feel to be frozen in the 1970s?
Venter#4--Leftists are probably no more loathing of "Leave It To Beaver" days than anyone else who either lived back then, or actually has watched that show. However, your point about us having guns "back then", and no one shooting up schools, is taken. Tell me, though...is it those same Leftists that decided to put a gun in the hands of a home-schooled, mentally ill manchild? Does it even matter that your idea of a Leftist is about as valid and accurate as the "reality" of that TV show?
Venter#5--Yes, for some of these people, publicity matters....I don't think that's the case here, since it was also a suicide. And I agree that, aside from showing the person's name and photo, the story should simply go to covering the victims. The part about being put to death immediately is, I hope, your way of being emotional, and not actually advocating killing a suspect on the pretense of being presumed guilty?
bubba posted at 11:25 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.
No need to repeal the 2nd ammendment. Changes can be made by the 2nd's wording of "well regulated".
DonMey posted at 10:26 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.
If you don't like our gun laws, fight to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Hire some lawyers and take it to SCOTUS, or hire some lobbyists and take it to Congress. Otherwise, it's in the Constitution, so deal with it.
RubidouxFalcon posted at 9:01 am on Wed, Dec 19, 2012.
Venter 3: That's the discussion we should be having. The devaluation of life in America is a major component in these killings. Think more than 20 abortions were performed in Connecticut this month? I bet that's true. Where's the candlelight vigil on that?