There’s an unfortunately large group of people in our society who believe that they can say whatever they want without consequences, no matter how degrading, how untrue, and how baseless. Frankly, this disturbs me. Opening up Twitter last night during the debate, an example of this came from a Chris Rock tweet: “Ann Romney is at home throwing dishes at her TV and cursing ‘No you black man, don’t you talk to my husband like that’“. In his tweets he painted the Romneys as xenophobic, bigoted, narrow-minded, hateful, and extremely racist. Some will say this can be expected coming from a comedian like Chris Rock, but I believe our nation is in need of more responsible discourse, even from comedians.
Maren Gardiner
Mesa





Engaged Voter posted at 2:19 pm on Fri, Oct 19, 2012.
Sorry Maren Gardiner, but the Romney paint THEMSELVES as xenophobic, bigoted, narrow-minded, hateful, and extremely racist...as does their church.
Sorry if the truth hurts. Comments based on facts are not baseless.
truth posted at 2:51 pm on Fri, Oct 19, 2012.
The myth of U.S. entrepreneurs. Our start up rate is lower than those of most other developing countries, including Sweden, Israel, and Brazil. A U.S. start-ups "don't appear a uniquely large role in job creation." In 2008, new companies accounted for about 2% of all U.S. jobs, putting us in the middle of the pack of developing economies. But "we don't have a monopoly on entrepreneurship." And "many other economies-all with different tax structures, safety nets, and regulatory regimes-seem to be just as exceptional as we are." The Atlantic.com
Corporate welfare queens companies of all stripes and sizes rely heavily on government giveaways for their profits. Energy companies, for instance, lease about 80 million acres in the U.S. "keep the lion's share of the profits from the oil and natural gas that they pump out." The telecom industry has benefited enormously from the government's gift of " swaphes of the digital spectrum worth 10's of billions of dollars" in the 1990's. And mining companies still lease land for just $5 an acre under an 1872 law and pay no royalties at all on the gold, silver, and uranium they find. Washington doles out to companies, and what you might call "corporate welfare state" has only expanded over the past few decades. "some of these giveaways arguably due a lot of good." But companies that benefit "are just as dependent on the government as the guy who gets the earned-income tax ctedit."
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mesateacher posted at 3:10 pm on Fri, Oct 19, 2012.
Engaged Voter: your comment is exactly the problem.
"Romney [sic] paint THEMSELVES as xenophobic, bigoted, narrow-minded, hateful, and extremely racist...as does their church."
Prove it. Prove ANY ONE OF THOSE stupid claims you make. The LDS church is not racist. Are you aware of the missionary work they do overseas? You can't justify your statements, so just make an unqualified attack on the person. That's how too many liberals operate.
Engaged Voter posted at 3:41 pm on Fri, Oct 19, 2012.
"Prove it"
I have. Every claim I make on these forums is factual and backed by evidence.
"Prove ANY ONE OF THOSE stupid claims you make"
Factual claims backed by evidence are "stupid"?
Folks, this is a Mesa teacher (or claims to be) - if true, I think we now know why our schools are failing our children miserably.
"The LDS church is not racist."
From willfull ignorance to outright lying. Bravo, mesateacher!
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_race.htm
"Pressure was also felt by the LDS during the 1970's because of the LDS' institutionalized racism. The IRS was threatening to cancel the church's non-profit tax exempt status. University sports teams were refusing to compete in Utah. This pressure was relieved on 1978-JUN-6 when prophet of the church believed that he had received a new revelation from God to end the practice of discrimination against persons of African-American heritage."
OOPS! DARN THOSE PESKY FACTS!
I have never failed to justify a statement, or made unqualified attacks on anyone.
Mesateacher seems to have an issue with making false claims and spewing lies.
"That's how too many liberals operate."
I'm used to ignorant bigots falsely labeling me, so this is nothing new. I've been called a woman, a black man, and a Jew by the ignorant, mouthbreathing racists on this forum.
Masterrogue666 posted at 8:59 pm on Fri, Oct 19, 2012.
Engaged Voter: I checked out your listed website. It mentioned two "historic" events. Once was back in the late 1800's. The other from the 1970's. DO YOU HAVE RECENT "PROOF"?
Do you think the Mormon religion is the ONLY religion that has done wrong in God's name?
http://listverse.com/2008/04/02/8-atrocities-committed-in-the-name-of-religion/
By the way, I don't belong to the Mormon church. However, YOUR hatred is clear to all, but yourself, to see.
You've called me a racist many times, but have NEVER provided ANY PROOF. You've only convinced yourself of the "veracity" of your OPINION!
Dale Whiting posted at 8:34 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.
Just what does it mean to characterize someone or some group as racist? My Sociology Professor knew. It is to find them attributing to a race some characteristic as being a part of its fundamental character. Me Mormons once attributed to Blacks a decision made before their birth, this without any support whatsoever. Fortunately we learned better. My Sociology professor helped us get beyond that mistake. He taught a BYU!
Today many, Mormon and non- attribute to Muslims a desire to war with Christianity. I am thankful to know [and saw to the publishing in this newspaper] a statement by the Mormon Church leadership condemning by the kooky Florida minister with a plan to burn Korans, comparing the Koran to other religious writings, both as scripture! As far as I can determine, no other denomination took such a courageous stand. Just maybe we have learned tolerance and understanding. What say the rest of you?
JNelson posted at 8:57 am on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.
Truth.....it is interested that some things you post as "truth" are far from it. For example, you say that "the energy companies keep the lion's share of the profits from the oil and natural gas they pump out". Don't know who told you that fib but in actuality, it is government which gets most of the profit in taxes....California's government being one of the biggest "hogs".
You also give some statistics on global business "start up", showing the USA to be low on the totem pole...and I'll take them at your word. However, have you ever wondered why, if true, that would be? John Stossel some weeks ago demonstrated it when he found that it took him 6 weeks to jump through all the hoops in the way of setting up a lemonade stand in NYC while it only took ONE DAY in Hong Kong! Maybe THAT has something to do with a low number of business start ups here, do you think?
truth posted at 2:14 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.
Jnelson, if you read the articles you would have noticed who wrote the article at the end.
Arizona Willie posted at 2:23 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.
JNelson, I'll take the American way.
In Hong Kong you can do pretty much whatever. They wouldn't stop you from selling dog pee at the lemonade stand.
I much prefer the American way with all it's regulations and permits.
You have to get inspected and the product gets checked periodically ( most food businesses ).
I've been to Hong Kong, and although it is a great place ( in it's own way ) I wouldn't want to live there.
My Take posted at 7:14 pm on Sat, Oct 20, 2012.
So let me get this straight. For almost four years now this President has taken so much verbal abuse from Republican congressional leaders and the Tea Party followers who have mocked everything from his birthright, religion, race and name and you’re concerned over Chris Rock? Why because it is directed towards Ann Romney? What a hypocrite! Ann Romney’s son disrespected our President by saying he wanted to punch him. During both debates you can see how Romney has very little respect towards President Obama. Also Romney has had many moments to stand up to his Tea Party base and has failed every time. He is a man with no convictions or decency. That is who you need to be concerned about, not a comedian. Chris Rock isn’t running for President.
chuckles3 posted at 9:50 am on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.
Silly letter. Whining about a racist comedian making racist comments by projection.
The First amendment is a cruel mistress, but is one of the things that makes America unique and awesome.
Engaged Voter posted at 10:07 am on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.
"Do you think the Mormon religion is the ONLY religion that has done wrong in God's name?"
Absolutely not...and you already know this from my previous comments...why use a Strawman against me?
"However, YOUR hatred is clear to all, but yourself, to see."
Hatred? Where? You accuse me of hatred for exposing ignorant bigotry?
How is that hateful in any way?
"You've called me a racist many times, but have NEVER provided ANY PROOF."
You are delusional. More often than not I have DEFENDED your views on immigration, though they are somewhat harsher than mine.
Speaking of proof, can we see those "many times" I've called you a racist?
Be sure to include the comment from you that prompted the reply. ;)
Engaged Voter posted at 11:18 am on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.
"Just maybe we have learned tolerance and understanding."
Really, Dale? So nonbelievers and apostates are no longer damned to Hell?
Or did I just deflate your "tolerance and understanding"?
DonMey posted at 12:49 pm on Mon, Oct 22, 2012.
I was more upset when Chris Rock said the US is protecting Bin Laden, because there's no way Bin Laden could survive needing dialysis while in a cave.
He's funny when he talks about life, he's a hack when talking politics. Entertainers are just that, nothing more. Who cares if Bruce Willis supports Romney, or Eva Longoria supports Obama?
Masterrogue666 posted at 4:14 pm on Thu, Oct 25, 2012.
Engaged Voter: Unfortunately, links to previous statements are no longer provided by EVT. If you have defended my views on immigration, then perhaps I've mistaken you for others (like phxvato for instance). However, you seem to put all "Mormons" in the same boat, and that's being unfair. I try my best to judge people on a person by person basis. You seem to hate all Mormons regardless.
Engaged Voter posted at 12:56 pm on Fri, Oct 26, 2012.
Rogue - I do not hate anyone, nor do I judge a person based on their skin color, gender, orientation, nationality, or ethnicity.
However. when a person CHOOSES to be a member of a group with openly racist/sexist policies, I will make a judgement call based on that association.
Put all Mormons in the same boat? Well sure. I also put all members of the KKK in the same boat, and for the same reason.
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