Mike McClellan’s commentary (Dec. 19) was so full of inaccuracies and blatant lies that I felt compelled to respond.
1. None of the proposed legislation would have averted this tragedy, NOR IS INTENDED TO! You can’t legislate morality, self control or stupidity. This is simply the “never let a tragedy go to waste” playbook of libs re: gun control with their “new” cheerleader Barack Obama.
2. As a Marine, I can tell you that BY DEFINITION assault weapons are capable of semi and full auto fire, and require a class 3 FFL. The purchase or possession without one has ALREADY been illegal since the GCA of 1934. And even belt-fed weapons have their ammo capacity restricted by the size of the box, so there is no such thing as “unlimited” magazine size in the real world, Mike.
Additionally, while I am familiar with FMJ, HP, AP and API projectiles, perhaps you could inform me what EXACTLY classifies ammo as cop killers? Are they optically tracked/wire guided as to only harm LEO’s? Pure fiction!
3.If the feds wanted to make society was safer they could address the fact that since they stopped institutionalizing the mentally ill 10 years ago they forced many of these people to become homeless. They could also start enforcing the gun laws we already have on the books.
I await your commentary on the 5,000-plus weapons sent to cartels BY THE FEDS!
4.In Africa and elsewhere THOUSANDS of tribal genocide victims are HACKED TO DEATH WITH MACHETES!
5.”Those who would trade personal liberties for security deserve neither.” — Thomas Jefferson
Joseph Kostur
Apache Junction
DonMey posted at 11:33 am on Tue, Jan 8, 2013.
Mike - According to Huffington Post, the Colorado shooter did not buy his guns on the internet. BTW, it is illegal to just mail a gun from one state to another. If you want to buy a gun from out of state, the seller is supposed to ship it to an authorized dealer in your area.
Masterrogue666 posted at 3:17 pm on Mon, Jan 7, 2013.
Success? OK, bobunf, why don't you check out Mexico. Civilians aren't permitted weapons there, yet I hear (almost daily) of the death that the Cartels deliver. If you like Canada, or elsewhere better, than by all means move there. It's your right. It's also MY RIGHT to have guns, and I WON'T give THAT RIGHT up.
bobunf posted at 5:04 pm on Sun, Jan 6, 2013.
If we’re having massacres a couple times a month, and more killings in the last 20 years than died in World War II, does it not make sense to at least try what everybody else in the world has implemented with great success?
bobunf posted at 5:03 pm on Sun, Jan 6, 2013.
The US has the world’s most heavily armed civilian population – an incredible 20 times more guns per capita than the average of the rest of the world. More guns than people. And, with that, we have more homicides per capita (with guns or without) than any other developed country in the world,
In most cases much more; on the average the US has four times as many murders per capita -- not even counting accidental shootings of children, parents, friends and others. The Canadians and Czechs have a third as many murders per capita as the US. Australia, Italy, the UK, France and Portugal have a fourth. Japan, Spain and Holland a fifth. Switzerland a seventh. Austria and Norway a tenth.
Mike McClellan posted at 9:21 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.
Speaking of sarcasm, Rich, I believe you're the guy who a few days posted the following:
"If you want to control guns you start by controlling the nut behind the trigger through education and training."
Now, one might think that a proposal as interesting as giving "nuts" "education and training" with guns is "A Modest Proposal"-level example of irony.
Sadly, you were perfectly serious that we control "nuts" by showing them how to use guns better.
Rich posted at 9:16 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.
Rather clumsy sarcasm doesn't really answer a lot, Mike. All you really said is that he was right and your point doesn't mean much of anything.
Mike McClellan posted at 4:14 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.
Voice wants to know if the "fool in Denver or Connecticut by their firearms at gunshows"?
Well, the Denver fool purchased his over the internet, the marketplace with zero regulations. He bought all of his stuff legally over the net, including his magazine holders and his combat vest. Along with his shotgun, Glock, and AR-15. Oh, and the explosive materials he used to rig his apartment. Oh, and the gas canister he used to lob into the crowd. Oh, and gas mask, throat protector and combat pants he wore on his rampage. Oh, and the 100-round magazine he unloaded before it jammed.
VofReason posted at 2:26 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.
Though it may be nice to hear something different from President Obama, instead of blaming President Bush for everything, he could blame Reagan as Truth says here. Shake things up a bit.
VofReason posted at 2:24 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.
Did the fool in Denver or Connecticut buy their firearms at gunshows? Or just hypothetically this loophole is cuasing these? I agree there should not be this loophole and agree that citizens shouldn't be able to get some of these guns, clips, etc, but was it the person or the machine that killed people? Thank you Truth for clearing the air. So President Reagan freed the mentally ill and everyone since him gets a pass on leaving them on the streets to fend for themselves and commit crimes. So we will certainly hear President Obama and his admin get them back in the mental hospitals- right? Oh no, thats right, he is going to limit guns instead. May make sense in the echo chamber, not in the real world.
smartvoter posted at 6:10 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.
If I remember correctly , I'm not saying this is 100% fact ,but I think it was Janet Napalitano that said the terror threat was from the far right .
DonMey posted at 1:07 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.
Truth - The ACLU sued and won for these people to be put out on the streets. Reagan was President at the time, but he had nothing to do with the decision. He merely followed a court order.
Masterrogue666 posted at 3:33 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.
As expected, instead of providing A LINK that answers the question:
"But I didn't see where the FBI or CIA specifically stated that the biggest terror threat comes from the far right. Is there a FBI or CIA report that you referenced?"
Instead, you do the OPPOSITE, and provide many links, each that "provide" a multitude of additional links. Talk about employing a "smoke screen"! Thanks for helping me prove my point about you yet again! Man, am I glad I'm not holding my breath!
By the way, if you would have typed in "inguage" instead of "Ingage", in your latest insult attempt, you may have convinced me that you actually give some thought to what the other person's trying to communicate. All you've done is prove to me that you only seek conflict, not knowledge. Or is it a "typo" yet again?
truth posted at 5:07 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.
masterrogue 696: Ingage brain before mouth, OH excuse me, that should be engage brain before mouth, if you had read any of my articles they are directly paraphrased out of major U.S. and foreign magazines, so that must make us all wrong and you right or a moron.
truth posted at 4:56 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.
Masterrogue696 I know it is very dificult to some to do their own research so here are some paths for you to follow:
WWW.Miwatch.or 2011-02-Ronald Reagan and mental.html
WWW.sfgate.com/health/downside-of Reagan-legacy 2714909.php
WWW.democratic underground.com>discuss
WWW.daily nugget/2004/06/Ronald-Reagan-the-bad and-ugaly
WWW.content.health affair.or / content / 25 / 3 / 73.7.full
WWW.snopes.com r kicks people of institutions
Masterrogue666 posted at 4:22 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.
"truth": I'm guessing that you are referring to this article:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/the_vent/article_02f6a9aa-4bd8-11e2-87e7-001a4bcf887a.html
It's clear you didn't check it before your statement above. My "argument" was that you refuse to answer a direct question, even though it was asked by two separate persons. You lost that argument long ago when you failed/refused to give any link (like I did above) to help prove YOUR STATEMENT!
FYI, I'm not "Republican", I consider myself a GDI. I've stated that in many different articles. Is it possible you missed all of them? Yes. However, it's sad that you need to revert to labeling someone (inaccurately), and using high school mentality "insults". All it proves is that your repertoire is weak, lame, and lacks any originality. You should consider changing your avatar name to "fiction", or better yet, "My Opinion", because I've yet to see you write anything truthful.
You expect me to believe you when you state "inguage" is a typo, or better yet a double typo? First, you need to establish CREDIBILITY! I'm still waiting for you to establish your credibility in the article I provided above. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath! [beam]
truth posted at 2:27 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.
Poor Poor Masterrobue 696, You can't win your argument with logic or facts so you have to find a typing error, you really need to stop chasing those parked cars. You are a perfect example why the Republican party is failure.
Masterrogue666 posted at 1:23 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.
"truth": When you write down childish "insults" like:
"Slabside. inguage brain before opening mouth. Look up #1 or #2 of my post."
What's ironic is that YOU are the guilty one in this case. Perhaps you should "Practice what you preach".
Please be sure to SPELL all the words CORRECTLY! I understand that "typos" occur, but there's no way it could account for the word "inguage"! That way, you won't show your complete ignorance. Next time, use the word "ENGAGE".
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Mike McClellan posted at 9:49 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.
1. So a regulation restricting them leads to their going into the hands of "criminals and psychotics"?
I guess that explains how the criminals and psychotics get them right now.
2. Black market already exists -- good try. But right now, who really needs one, since private sellers at gun shows have a legal market that has no control over who purchases the guns other than the control a seller puts on purchasers? Thanks to folks like you, we have a legal black market, a thriving gun bazaar operating legally at gun shows.
3. How do you "educate and train" a "nut"?
Rich posted at 9:07 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.
1. Do we need to have magazines with a 100-bullet capacity or a clip with a 30-bullet capacity? Yes, for numerous reasons, not the least of which is that nuts want them banned, so they're selling like hot cakes and so many are in circulation that no ban on them can be effective. Once banned they go onto the black market and there is no prayer of keeping them out of the hands of criminals and psychotics.
2. Are you okay with the gun show loophole that allows private dealers to sell guns without doing a background check? Private says it all, it is a private transaction and the government need not be informed. Closing the so-called 'loophole' does the same thing as banning, creates a black market where there are no checks at all.
Basically, Mike it's people like you who make guns more dangerous, and easier to obtain. If you want to control guns you start by controlling the nut behind the trigger through education and training.
truth posted at 3:48 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.
My poor poor Slabside give me your phone number and I will read the articles to you, will this make you happy, I guess not. Keep your head stuck in your hole.
Mike McClellan posted at 10:17 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.
With all due respect to the Marine for his service to our country, I'd like to ask him a couple of questions:
1. Do we need to have magazines with a 100-bullet capacity or a clip with a 30-bullet capacity?
2. Are you okay with the gun show loophole that allows private dealers to sell guns without doing a background check?
smartvoter posted at 9:54 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.
corsair41347 -- Welcome aboard, I agree with you that Joe is right on target.
We here on the right have been saying these vary same words since that tragic day in Ct. and all the left can come up with is more gun control.
You cannot get it through their tiny brains that criminals will not obey the new laws anymore then the gun laws on the books now.
And don't worry about Obammy declaring himself king I'm pretty sure the joint chiefs and the secret servise would put a stop to that in a hurry. They still have honor for this greatest country on earth unlike this so called president.
downtownresident posted at 9:36 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.
Joe,
Your rant is every bit as flawed as you suggest Mike's piece was.
Your reference to legislation is totally ignorant of any facts. And completely misses the point of Mike's reference to legislation.
Joe, I didn't think Marines were that hysterical, being manly and macho and all.
The "Marine" definition of assault rifle is just that. Mainstream America defines them differently, and you can't shoot them all for getting it wrong, can you?
Nobody, in any of these discussions is talking about full-auto weapons, get it?
If you've never heard of "cop killer" bullets, then you are so far out of touch that you should not even be talking about the subject of guns. And your FMJ etc. discourse proves you are ignorant of modern ballistic terms.
Joe, climb back into that rocker ans take a nap.
corsair41347 posted at 6:33 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.
Joe you are so correct. This is nothing but a political oportunity for the radical left. Anyone who has made up his mind that they are going to kill someone will not be deterred by a phony gun ban. How many guns are on the streets that cannot be traced? How many of them will be registered if Diane Feinstein gets her bill through the senate? None! Laws are for law abiding people not animals like those that commit these horrible crimes. The only thing that will come out of this is the disarmament of the American people which is what this administration wants. At that point Obama declares himself king of furer. He might as well because that is how he acts.
Slabside posted at 5:29 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.
Just as I thought. Just lip service.
truth posted at 2:20 pm on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.
Slabside. inguage brain before opening mouth. Look up #1 or #2 of my post.
wdgnas posted at 7:47 am on Sat, Dec 29, 2012.
it is only illegal if you get caught.
Slabside posted at 5:21 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.
OK truth... please post some url's that prove that you are not full of manure.
truth posted at 4:29 pm on Fri, Dec 28, 2012.
It was Ronald Reagan who put the mental ill on the street, check.
1. Reagan kicked people out of institutions.
2. Why did Reagan close down the mental instutions?