I guess Mitt Romney thought he was preaching to the choir when he told "Fortune Magazine" some juicy details of his economic plan. But the choir is not a monolith; it's made up of distinct individuals.
Romney indicated that his actions as president would include COMPLETELY ELIMINATING federal subsidies for public broadcasting, the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for the Humanities.
Before we go any further, let's nail down the staggering figures that supposedly have the Founding Fathers (who did favor "promoting the general welfare") turning over in their graves. The amount distributed by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting each year amounts to less than $1.50 per American!
I have no doubt that a Republican landslide could steamroll right over those appropriations (as well as whatever federal money goes to ballets, orchestras and art museums), but it would be a Pyrrhic victory. As with heaping indignities upon the military foes we conquer, it could create generations of ill feelings for Republicans/conservatives. We need to take the high road.
I know, Democrats/liberals will always find something nasty to say about the other side; but, the Second Amendment notwithstanding, Mitt doesn't have to give them AMMUNITION!
I think the idea of "compassionate conservatism" can still be salvaged. But giving arts projects a sneering "sink or swim" edict will not serve that cause.
If (and that's a mighty big if) we were going to have a true bare-bones, scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners budget, I would grudgingly say that arts funding needs the old heave-ho. But if we're going to have a dog and pony show and then retain congressional perks, "nonessential employees" and mega tax breaks for targeted industries, making the arts an early target is just chintzy, petty and counterproductive.
Yes, in a perfect world, arts projects would "stand on their own" — but not even the oil companies do much standing. They're sitting at the table 24-7, wolfing down tens of billions of dollars in subsidies!
I dread seeing "disdain for the arts" become a litmus test for conservatives. Yes, the firebrands in the GOP Establishment (the ones who supported the Children's Television Workshop until they realized it didn't involve sweat, beatings or gruel) are licking their lips at the prospects of yanking the rug out from under elitist pinkos; but other Republicans/conservatives serve on the boards of local public TV stations, and millions of salt-of-the-earth folks with traditional values feel no guilt about learning from public TV or adding a little culture to their lives by occasionally admiring a sculpture exhibit.
These people may shake their heads at the excesses of the liberal elite in Hollywood, but they do not feel obligated to walk in lockstep with the right-wing elite with their gated communities and country clubs, either.
Don't take the easy way out if you perceive a liberal slant to the arts. Create programming that is as intellectually compelling as conservative icon William F. Buckley's "Firing Line" — programming that public TV station programmers won't be able to turn down. If scurrilous lies come across on PBS or NPR or a neighborhood mural, counter those lies through talk radio, blogs and the grapevine.
Here's a litmus test for conservatives: true conservatives do not throw out the baby with the bathwater! Support the arts!
Copyright 2012 Danny Tyree. Danny welcomes reader e-mail responses at tyreetyrades@aol.com and visits to his Facebook fan page "Tyree's Tyrades".
Tbergers2 posted at 1:40 pm on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.
Mr. Tyree -
We are running deficits of $1.6T – something has to give. PBS constantly has fund drives – I would suggest that you give with your money instead of insisting that taxpayers keep paying the tab. Sure it is "only" around $500 million a year but only in DC would that amount be considered chump change. BTW, PBS has some incredibly valuable assets – Barney, airways spectrum, Sesame Street – they are not going to collapse without drinking from the public trough.
Mega tax breaks for targeted industries – you mean like failed solar companies or $26 B loss on GM stock. Are you talking about depreciation rules for the oil industry that EVERY manufacturer in this country uses? Have you ever risked your own money on a $900,000 oil well that came up a dry hole? We have the potential for an energy boom in this country that would greatly lead to our energy independence, increased tax revenues, and help our jobs deficit – if only the government would get out of the way.
Have you ever run a business and had to balance the books, make payroll, pay taxes, utilities, vendors etc and hope that at the end of the day a little is left for you so you don't have to pull money out of your pocket that month?
Do you want us to become Greece?
Everything needs to be on the table (NEA Included) – a billion here, a billion there and pretty soon we are talking real money :-). And if you only reduce the budget the government agency will only come back stronger then every. Please name ONE government department that has ever been eliminated – well you get my point.
Regards -
Tim Berger
Gilbert, AZ
Cerulean posted at 2:16 pm on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.
I like the cartoon [beam]
Arizona Willie posted at 2:22 pm on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.
Tbergers2 --- business claims it is entitled to profits because it RISKS it's money. That it invests in projects that may or may not pay off.
Your question " Have you ever risked your own money on a $900,000 oil well that came up a dry hole? " seems to imply that you think people should be protected from such a loss!!
You want government " out of the way " and government got out of Wall St. way they stole everything that wasn't nailed down and it caused the financial meltdown.
Capitalism is a good economic system.
UNREGULATED capitalism is a disaster.
Government HAS to be in the way to keep GREED under control.
Cerulean posted at 3:48 pm on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.
Actually, why are all the little muppets smoking? That makes no sense at all. I take back my like of the cartoon. [sad]
Tbergers2 posted at 3:53 pm on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.
What business claims that it is entitled to profits. Greedy (profitable) companies pay the taxes to run government - Apple, Microsoft, Exxon, Boeing, Cat, small & midsize businesses etc.
No I don't imply that people should be protected from a loss - that is NOT capitalism - that is socialism. Have you taken a business risk before? If you have you should understand my "taking a risk and drilling an oil well comment".
My only point is that when we are running $1T+ in deficits that as a country (which the senate hasn't passed a budget into law for 3.5 years) that if Romney is elected we need to reconsider our national spending priorities. Obama's last budget got voted down something like 98-0 (I might be off 1 or 2 senators either way). $500MM spent on NEA, PBS, etc as well as a whole list of defense / non-defense spending needs to be brought way down/eliminated or our future path is Greece/Spain/Ireland - you pick. Writing an article saying that Big Bird is going away if the taxpayers don't continue to cough up money and asking conservatives to back it is naive. Rome is burning and we are picking out paint for the walls.
Tbergers2 posted at 4:01 pm on Sat, Aug 25, 2012.
"business claims it is entitled to profits because it RISKS it's money. That it invests in projects that may or may not pay off" is incorrect - business (sometimes) make profits after it risks scarce time, resource (money). The only entity that claims it is entitled to a revenue stream is the government. You pick it - cell phone taxes, hotel taxes, property taxes, income taxes etc. And what do we get in return? Promises that are driving the country to the poor house. Government employee pensions that are way underfunded, post office going BK, social security running out of money, medicare that is expected to remain solvent only until 2024 - that is right around the corner. Should I continue?
wdgnas posted at 7:03 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.
tbergers2: let the nuclear power industry stand on its own. if it wasn't for the federal government providing insurance for the nuclear power plants they would not exist. what about the security provided for the oil companies that 2 carrier groups in the persian gulf and 1 carrier group in the mediterranean sea? should they stand on their own? oh and yes, please continue. the postal service is funding its pension and healthcare programs into the future. how well funded is the pension and healthcare program of fed ex and ups. ever heard of pension guaranty benefit corp. they guaranty pension benefits from private pension plans that are underfunded by the private companies. so yes, please do continue.
wdgnas posted at 7:04 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.
cerulean: they are smoking because they are facing a firing squad. the old cliche.
Arizona Willie posted at 7:46 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.
tbergers2.. it was about 2 years ago, if memory serves me correctly, that the Republicans in the Arizona Legislature put forward a business incubator type plan.
The SBA was supposed to give entrepreneurs money to start up businesses and if the business made a profit it went to the business owner -- if it went bust -- well the owners walked away scott free with no debt.
Republicans LOVE the idea of privatized profits and socialized losses.
This is not the first time such proposals have been made. They want to be guaranteed not to lose money.
tberger2 -- you list a bunch of problems " Promises that are driving the country to the poor house. Government employee pensions that are way underfunded, post office going BK, social security running out of money, medicare that is expected to remain solvent only until 2024 - that is right around the corner. " but cutting spending won't fix any of those you mentioned.
Every single one of the problems you mentioned is a result of Congressmen taking the money for pet project ( SS running out of money ) or plain old underfunding.
Republican politicians and economists know that the ONLY solution is increased revenue but they don't want to be the one's to do the unpleasant thing.
So they handed the mess off to Obama deliberately by running McCain and Palin last time and they < hope > that nominating two members of the elite ( whom conservatives always lambast ) who hold policies that SHOULD make them anathema to every woman drawing breath will get them 4 more years where they don't have to try to solve the mess Bush's follies created.
It is much easier for them to sit on the sidelines and say " NO " to everything Obama tries to do and criticize him for not getting anything done.
Cerulean posted at 8:16 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.
wdgnas, I know, in retrospect, that you are correct on both of your comments.
Az Willie, excellent observation as well!
Maybe Cagle could have put the cigarettes on the ground. I would have spit mine out.
[tongue]
Arizona Willie posted at 9:10 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.
Cerulean -- it was traditional for a person before the firing squad to be given a blindfold and a last cigarette.
Nowadays they would give them the blindfold and a Starbucks hot chocolate mocha venti with whipped cream.
mnjcpa posted at 11:03 am on Sun, Aug 26, 2012.
Tbergers- hear the sound of applause from this commenter. Agree with you 150%!
But I'll warn you.
Don't try to explain the concept of risk and return to liberals like AzWillie in this column. He's one of the ones with a labor union pension that 'retired' in his early 50's and finds nothing abnormal that a blue collar worker becomes a millionaire and is 'entitled' to that kind of unrealistic windfall. The streets of Greece are lined with people like him that's got us trillions in debt. Liberals never get that concept of what business owners go through to make payroll or mortgage their home to grow a business. They've never risked their family's future.
See 2016: Obama's America. It's the story that should have been told in 2008. It's truly frightening what formed the foundation of Obama's thinking.
I turned off PBS long ago because like the main media channels it's nothing more than propaganda for the liberal agenda.
wdgnas posted at 7:40 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
arizona willie: don't bother responding to mnjcpa. mnjcpa will not answer your question and will change the subject. a budding politico.
tbergers2: cat got your tongue. or are you looking up more talking points. your silence speaks volumes.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 9:51 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
No "Conservative" would call the $300,000,000.00 (three hundred million for you Libs) that the ...PUBLIC BROADCASTING SERVICE (PBS for you Libs)....."chump change".
Either this Guest Columnist, Mr. Danny Tyree, never watches PBS or is a flaming "Liberal" of the First Stripe.
The Public Broadcasting Act of 1967 that established the Public Broadcasting Servicer (PBS) stated that...."strict adherence to OBJECTIVITY and BALANCE in all programs or series of programs...".
When was the last time that you saw "OBJECTIVITY and BALANCE" on PBS-KAET, Channel 8's "Horizon" or "Horizonte" programs ???
When was the last time that you saw "OBJECTIVITY and BALANCE" on PBS "Frontline", "Nova", or the worst of the lot and it takes a heck of a lot to be the worst of this lot the........"BILL MOYER SHOW".
I remember when PBS first started how ..."BALANCED and OBJECTIVE" the..."MacNeil/Lehrer Report" was. Now just look at the totally Left-Leaning "NEWS HOUR REPORT".
Conservatives on this show have been ...RUN OFF.
Paul Gigot is gone. Tucker Carlson is gone......now on the News Hour we see DAVID BROOKS instead. He is such a "WISHEE-WASHEE" R.I.N.O. (R-epublican I-n N-ame O-nly) that HARRY REID could substitute for him and you would never notice the difference.
AMERICA HAS MSNBC AND CNN........WE TAX-PAYERS DON'T NEED TO ADD $300 MILLION DOLLARS TO OBAMA'S $15 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICT FOR ANOTHER "LEFT-WING LIBERAL" TELEVISION CHANNEL.
I WON'T EVEN GO INTO PBS-SUPPORTED NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO (NPR)....MY GAWD IT'S WAY LEFT OF LIBERAL...ALMOST ..."SOCIALIST" (don't believe me...listen to NPR when you get a chance = RADIO CHE GUEVARA !!!).
Arizona Willie posted at 10:07 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
wdgnas... I have realized that mnjcpa is just a stalker. He continuously comes into discussions and starts spewing about my pensions even though the topic(s) have NOTHING to do with pensions or unions or me :)
He's a troll.
I have already decided not to waste any time on him.
mnjcpa posted at 10:43 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
wdgnas - there wasn't a question asked of me.
Arizona Willie - Your post @ 2:22 to tberger making fun of him that businesses take to make a profit only illuminates your ignorance of risk and return. Businesses take risks in every financial decision like the oil well operator tberger describes and they lose the money if their wrong. But someone like yourself gets a windfall without risking anything financially. It has EVERYTHING to do with your unrealistic pension and outdated unions you represent.
The truth hurts.
Tbergers2 posted at 10:50 am on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
Ok, lets stay on topic. PBS is not going bust without the $300MM or so in funding - they will absolutely survive - we can no longer afford this and about 1,000 other things that they government does. Willie given that we are running $1.6T in deficits - something has to be cut. Lay out your plan to close the deficit in round numbers and I will do the same - You don't even have to get it to zero, just show me a path to get to 3% of GDP. However ranting about businesses making profits, private profits public risks etc doesn't solve the deficit.
Looking for your response willie.
BTW, you hot Starbucks comment was actually funny.
Correction - Obama controlled everything and got everything he wanted in first 2 years, so you have to start looking in the mirror.
Cerulean posted at 12:37 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
Az Willie, I have not seen Sesame Street in many years. Cookie Monster may have a Starbucks venti with his cookies every day and I would not know.
So- the Muppets on the firing line with a Starbucks hot chocolate in hand – ya, that would be sadly ironic.
VofReason posted at 12:54 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
So what is the arguement for PBS again, if it weren't there, no one would ever get news, arts, etc. Thta is a fallacy on it's face. If people watch the shows, why wouldn't advertisers back the programming? That is how it works everywhere else- no? Heck, you want to make a real dent, get rid of the Department of Education. Can anyone name what they door what they have done in your student's school. Right.
mnjcpa posted at 1:27 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
Right on VofReason - Dept of Education would be my first choice to go. A complete waste of taxpayer dollars.
wdgnas posted at 2:46 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
tbergers2--let's try cutting defense so that we spend as much as say the next five economies instead of the next 17. what about royalties from the oil companies that have gone uncollected for years? wouldn't want them to pay their fair share. or stop letting our business interests dictate our foreign policy. let the utilities cover their own insurance for nukular power plants. and yes i know how to spell nuclear. how about putting all wars ON THE BOOKS instead of off the books. do you need any more suggestions.
Tbergers2 posted at 3:53 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
Penny / Mack plan gets us to a balanced budget in about 6 years. I.e. take 2011 spending baseline and reduce the line item by one penny for every dollar spent. Could be as simple as the govt agency eliminating real estate that is vacant, not running the air conditioning every night at full blast, not replacing every employee that retires etc. Try it at home, if you make $50,000 a year reduce your expenditures by $500 next year or 1%. That is as simple as reducing your cable ill by $20 per month and packing your lunch every day instead of eating out for lunch 1x per week. Refinancing your mortgage could save you $100 per month.
Medicare had about $60 billion in fraud ANNUALLY. Just cutting out the fraud - that doesn't impact seniors. Block grant medicaid to the states.
Military is taking cuts for next 10 years, everyone should.
Just go to a city street work site and count the 5 city employees - Slick Willie - have one of them stay home and only use 4 city employees for a 2 person job and suddenly you cut your labor expense by 20%.
As for more revenue - make energy exploration a priority and we have the potential for $400B a year in money spent here in America instead of the middle east. Can't be done - well N. Dakota is doing it.
I am interested how much is nuclear energy plant insurance? Lets set the rates so that the insurance is actuary sound.
Slick Willie you should want the budget to be balanced - do you really think tax payers are going to pick paying your pension over closing schools, laying off police - I don't think so. We are actually on the same side - you just don't realize it. A balanced budget and growing economy leaves money left in the till to pay your pension. Your democratic friends in IL and CA are BK'ing your pensions. 4 cities in CA have gone BK - you should be glad conservatives are generally in charge here in AZ. Talk to your city worker friends in Ontario, CA.
mnjcpa posted at 5:22 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
Great discussion tbergers - now watch it fall on deaf ears with the liberals that hang around here. Something as simple as spending less than you take in is a novel concept to this group. It's always about taking it from someone else so they can have a cushy ride.
mnjcpa posted at 5:24 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
Or a different way of saying it is what is the difference between a Romney supporter and a Obama supporter? Romney supporters sign the front of the check. Obama supporters sign the back of the check.
wdgnas posted at 8:40 pm on Mon, Aug 27, 2012.
tbergers2: do you consider solar and wind as energy production. lots of ways to help out. i installed a small pv system, 2.78 kw on a home in colorado. $1400 out of pocket. they will recoup it in 4 years. also a solar heater, extra attic insulation, new windows and doors. its not that hard to be a conservative.
VofReason posted at 1:06 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.
I have heard some of the commentators here wanting the oil companies to "pay their fair share". Should that also be the case for solar, wind and algea? Or is the pay their fair share arguement only on bad oil, not good green energy? Anyone willing to pay the actual charge to put a solar setup on their house?
onerebel posted at 8:45 pm on Tue, Aug 28, 2012.
Tax payers pick up the tab for everything from birth control to housing, food, medical,and cell phones for anybody that wants it, INCLUDING illegal aliens. The country is broke, cuts HAVE to be made. Why do we need to pay for a TV station when there are literally hundreds of stations out there?
wdgnas posted at 7:07 am on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.
vofreason: if you are for subsidies for the nuclear power plants and oil companies, you should be for subsidies for wind and solar? are you?
tbergers2: do you consider solar and wind as energy production?
one rebel: i am glad you are on the record against subsidies for the oil companies?
Tbergers2 posted at 11:57 am on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.
Yes, solar and wind are energy production - just a very inefficient and expensive way to produce energy. For example every mega wind farm also needs a coal / nat gas plant sitting behind it when the wind doesn't blow. You can't run a reliable grid based on solar / wind - system operators need to be able to call up and put power plans online with little notice.
We have 100+ year supply of cheap and pretty clean natural gas. Lets use it.
Solar sounds great but remember that solar efficiency degrades with in Arizona's hot weather. I.e. when we most need the power the solar cells don't work at peak performance when it is 120 degrees. Solar cells like 80 degree weather. Also remember the cells degrade about 1.8% per year. As for the next hail storm - well you better have your insurance premiums paid in full.
These "subsidies" for oil companies that you are referring to are actually depreciation tax laws that apply to ALL manufacturers - not just oil companies. Energy specific tax laws apply to EVERY energy company - if energy extraction is so simply my suggestion is for democrats to go create your own oil company - make lots of profits and invest all your profits into solar.
Energy companies pay high wages - and are heavily unionized. Energy companies are good!
VofReason posted at 1:27 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.
Don't be silly Tbergers2, Democrats cannot have any outward connection to an oil company. That would get them kicked out of the club. They do it the Gore way and invent scarry global warming and then set up companies to sell carbon credits to and from lunatics. Keeps inventory costs down and probably gives them some cockamamie reason not to have to pay any taxes.
onerebel posted at 8:52 pm on Wed, Aug 29, 2012.
wdgnas, Yes I am against most subsidies. especially oil companies.
wdgnas posted at 6:08 am on Thu, Aug 30, 2012.
tbergers2: the solar panels i installed in colorado have taken direct hits from golf ball sized hail. no damage. they also make solar panels that work in the heat. when the suns doesn't shine, the winds blows. if they made a microinverter that would handle the wattage from a fan, i would be installing a fan in colorado.
yes solar cells degrade app.1.8% a year.
don't forget that an oil well will have reduced production. than a compressor is used to fill the hole with air to squeeze out more oil. all the while, what are the pumpjacks and compressors run on? not to mention the cost of electricity to run the refinery.
years ago, i worked in the oilfield and made a boooooaaatttt loooaaaadddd of money. non union.
i agree that while natural gas is a temporary solution.
wdgnas posted at 6:53 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.
tbergers2: the unpaid royalties i spoke of are from oil and gas leases not just to the feds, but state and civilians.
Tbergers2 posted at 8:39 am on Fri, Aug 31, 2012.
I don't understand what you mean about unpaid royalties. Chevron doesn't pay their bills? Please explain.
When the sun doesn't shine doesn't mean that the wind always blows. The point is you can't you alternatives ever as part of the base load for a modern day power grid. Sure solar and wind work - but in order to have reliable electricity you need base load coming from reliable sources. Assume a one-for-one natural gas plant as backup for solar and wind.
Solar cells that work in the heat? Yes they all "work" the hotter they get but their efficiency degrades the hotter it gets. So when it is 120 here in Phoenix when we need max power for air conditioning the solar farms are not producing a max output.
Send me a link of solar cells that work in the heat - I suspect that their prices are not economically feasible for utility scale installations.
wdgnas posted at 6:58 am on Sat, Sep 1, 2012.
tbergers2: try putting oil companies, unpaid royalties, in any search engine. if you are talking about residential use, sanyo has a solar panel that has a higher output in higher temperatures.
does an electric motor running a pumpjack lose efficiency in the heat? of course it does.
if you are talking about commercial use or utility scale installations, there are other options for solar collectors.
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