Let's say that you are the newly chosen CEO of the largest Department Store in the World. You weren't one of the "Good Ole Boys" but a complete "outsider" - very "outsider," if you get my drift. You knew that when you accepted the position that costs were far exceeding revenues. That many department head's loyalty still rested with the old CEO. Two ongoing discount programs were costing the store a huge amount of money. But, you thought that you had all the answers and could turn things around, effect "Change".
You turned everything on it's head whether some of the department heads liked it or not. You didn't bother to listen to their arguments at meetings. You were the "anointed one," not them. They could like it or lump it.
One day, in your numerous (very numerous...some say too numerous), "meet and greets," you visit a department who's head you can't stand. She and you have a "history."
She shows up to greet you in a loud outfit taking away some of your attention. You are ticked off. You start telling her what she said about their meeting was wrong. She tries to invite you to come and walk through her department and see her problems first hand but points her finger at you. What do you do as CEO of the world's biggest department store? Hear her out because she is a department head and a woman too. Or turn away and ignore her problems? What should a good CEO do?
Leon Ceniceros
Mesa
Masterrogue666 posted at 8:36 pm on Sat, Feb 11, 2012.
I noticed Dale didn't answer this article, or the "Dog Leash" one.
Masterrogue666 posted at 8:34 pm on Sat, Feb 11, 2012.
So, was there a meeting?
Rational Human posted at 10:31 am on Sat, Feb 11, 2012.
I'm guessing but I would say that Dale and Surrealean cannot appear in the same place as two distinct individuals. You may infer what you like.
Masterrogue666 posted at 7:59 pm on Fri, Feb 10, 2012.
The meeting is tomorrow....
Cerulean posted at 4:15 pm on Fri, Feb 10, 2012.
Dale, would I have been able to join your gathering I would have. However, I did take the test and It tells me that I am more conservative in two areas, more democrat in two and halfway between on ‘Harm’. Jonathan Haidt has some interesting ideas. Thank you, Dale :)
Masterrogue666 posted at 10:38 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
There are two links to the quiz Dale mentioned. The one on the bottom didn't work. The one on the side did.
When I reached yourmorals.org, I noticed at the bottom, the flag of Spain and "En Espanol" with a link. I wonder, why aren't there links for other languages?
Highly suspect....
Masterrogue666 posted at 10:21 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
k33j88: In an earlier version of EVT's online newspaper I use to debate with a person that described themselves as a liberal. This person was refreshing, because they actually debated the topic, and did not attempt snide insults, which is rare IMHO when dealing with liberals.
We considered having a face to face meeting, because I had some ideas that may help end the fight over ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, and wanted his opinion. However, before we were to meet, I asked him to answer one simple question: "Do you think that ILLEGAL ALIENS have the same rights as US citizens?" He would not answer me, no matter how many times I asked.
I think therein lies the problem. Liberals are not willing to admit that ILLEGAL ALIENS have wronged others. Liberals want equal rights upfront. Conservatives want said right to be earned, as LEGAL immigrants have earned them. Barring that, they want "a pound of flesh" to make it FAIR to those persons that got snubbed (US citizens either born here, are LEGALLY immigrated here).
As long as that mentality exists, I don't see how a happy medium can be found.
Masterrogue666 posted at 10:02 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Mr. Whiting: Obscure reference? Do you mean where you refer to me as a "chicken", or where you stated "Nor can you, the potential parent of the next Jared Laughner, guarantee your child will not kill the next Gabby Giffords."?
As to the chicken reference, look above at your statement posted at 5:24 am on Wed, Feb 8, 2012. You did make a similar statement in a different article where you actually used the word "chicken". I could track it done if you really want, but how about you believe me just this once?
As to the Jared Laughner statement, I already provided the link above. Yes, you DID make it PERSONAL. Not only by bringing me into it, but my DAUGHTER as well! Then you state "You took offense where none was intended." Was that meant as an apology or explanation?
If it was an apology, I didn't see what I would call a statement of regret. If it was an explanation, then perhaps you should stop touting your skills as a writer. IMHO, a good writer wouldn't take the liberty to insert another person, and their child, into your "point" as you did. I would not do that to you.
Did you hit a nerve? No. I merely pointed out FACT. I use caps when I wish some emphasis, because I can't make it boldface. I learned long ago not to lose my temper, or let someone's rude statement "strike a nerve". One tend's to lose their ability to reason during such times. Also, usually a person that does such things WANTS that reaction. I deny them that pleasure by finding humor in their attempt. It makes no difference to me whether or not they believe me. I know it to be true, and that's good enough for me.
I noticed you did make additional statements at: http://eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/article_7f659b7a-4dc0-11e1-a86d-001871e3ce6c.html
I made additional statements as well.
Masterrogue666 posted at 9:12 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
k33j88: Found it: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_said_I_may_not_agree_with_what_you_say_but_I_will_defend_to_the_death_your_right_to_say_it
If I can make it, how can we recognize each other. Granted, there will probably be few people there at 8 am. Also, Dale didn't state if he could show up yet.
Dale Whiting posted at 2:30 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Mr. 666,
I am not about to run down that rather obscure reference. Just cite the opinion and I'll go to it. But I think I just did. I suggested that no one could guarantee the behavior of even their own children, mush less their dog. But I did make it personal by chosing to make the statement in the second person, "you" instead of the third person "no one." You took offense where none was intended. Perhaps I hit a nerve?
k33j88 posted at 10:19 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
It would be an honor if more regulars that post here would show up on saturday morning. We are all adults and I'm sure we can be respectful. Just think of the possibilities if this were allowed to grow and flourish. Can't remember the author, but: "I may not agree with you , but I'll defend to the death, you're right to say it".
Masterrogue666 posted at 9:28 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
Dale: You write about how OTHERS should be following decorum, yet you don't seem willing to do the same. How many times have you called others that don't use there real names as "chicken" or "coward"? Fact is that EVT KNOWS whom we are. So yes, SOMEONE KNOWS what my true name is.
Both of us know that there are unbalanced individuals out there that could/would/have do/done things that most persons wouldn't even consider. I've explained my reasons for not using my real name, and my reasoning is sound and prudent. Leon doesn't seem bothered by pseudonyms! You seem to be the only person with said attitude.
You've also done worse than that. I call attention to YOUR COMMENT in the article listed below, posted at 8:41 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
It's interesting how you seem to have no problems coming back to some articles, and make statements day after day, but others seem forgotten.
http://eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/article_7f659b7a-4dc0-11e1-a86d-001871e3ce6c.html
You want decorum, try showing some decorum.....
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 8:26 am on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.
You are an idiot Dale. An inept, socialist fool. I've read everything you've written and have found nothing to prove me wrong.
Dale Whiting posted at 10:51 pm on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
Here's a web reference to the Moyers interview I mention above. http://billmoyers.com/guest/jonathan-haidt/
The page briefly explains Jon Haidt's work and leads to two other cites, one explaining more about his work and another giving opportunity to have your personality "tested" to see whether your personality traits make you more comfortable as a conservative or a liberal.
I'll be testing myself momentarily. But from what I've seen so far, I expect I'll test as an outlier. I won't fit in well with either social group.
j33k88, why don't you get tested, too and will compare notes on Saturday. Hopefully our local Jack in the boxes have been supplied with gluten free ingredients. Some are and some are not. I may have to settle for a liquid breakfast.
Dale Whiting posted at 8:22 pm on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
It's not going to be a debate, folks. It's going to be a get acquainted meeting. We will spend time getting to know eachother. As my boyhood hero, Will Rogers famously said, "I never met a man I did not like." "k33j88" and I will be leaving the Jack in the Box as good friends.
Did any of you happen to catch this week's Moyer and Company? Bill interviewed a man whose book on politics is coming out in March. The man is a social psycologist. In short he views politics as a religious experience. Republicans and
Democrats are members of tribes. Each group has a pre-determined view of what the other group believes, what their values are and what makes their particular tribe better than the other. Both sides are hypocrites!
I'm going to order this book now!
Phrases like "Debating an idiot, Dale, will only result in you becoming less intelligent." fits this social psychologist's description of our national problem perfectly. Perhaps TeaPartyPatriot ought to come along.
And yes, Mr. 666, my high number and your high number cannot be compared directly to determine which of us has been on the cite longer. But where 'k33j88" and "TeaPartyPatriot" have numbers below 300, such a comparison is probably valid!
And spelling is more a function of taking time to proof read the typing than knowing how to spell when typing too fast. But thank you for noticing and commenting! Now go back and read "k33j88's" suggestion on decorum. "Basic rules: respect, honesty, integrity, manners, humility, and a willingness to listen."[smile]
Masterrogue666 posted at 7:16 pm on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
Actually, Dale, I've been posting on EVT for YEARS! In my time, the current comment count would be just one of three. This current EVT site would be the "Third generation".
Also, total number of comments DOES NOT mean Longevity. All it means is that you have COMMENTED MORE than anyone else.
Still whining about pseudonyms? At least you spelled it right this time.
Saturday at 8 am is not good for me. However, I will TRY to be there. I've another place in mind if your up for it:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/pittsburgh-willys-gourmet-hot-dogs-and-more-chandler
I don't see that Dale has agreed.
k33j88 posted at 12:07 pm on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
Agreed, TeaPartyPatriot. I'm open for suggestions. I'm trying to gather most, if not all, to an honest and open debate. A forum that is monitored and a set of rules that is adhered to is of utmost importance. Rebel rousers and trouble makers have no rights. Only those who wish to inform and enlighten would be welcome. Dissent protects democracy, but only in a respectful, intelligent atmosphere.
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 9:32 am on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
k33j88, if you wish to play chess better, you play those who play chess better than you. Debating an idiot, Dale, will only result in you becoming less intelligent. I would avoid contact with that fool if I were you.
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 9:11 am on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
The Dangers of a Self-Proclaimed Leader: OBAMA
by Patricia Traeger
When Barrack Hussein Obama was campaigning for the office of president in 2008, he promised a lot of changes that he said would fundamentally transform America. Wait a minute! Did anybody actually hear what he was saying? He wanted to bring changes to transform our country. Hmm….transform, meaning, according to my dictionary, to change the form or appearance of or change the condition, nature or function of.
Well, since taking office, he has made some very remarkable, albeit, very dangerous and even threatening changes that could ultimately, not only, transform our country, but destroy her as we know her. So let’s take a look at some of the transformational changes that have taken place during the past three years that (King) Obama has been in office.
First and foremost, he quickly increased the size of our government by appointing “czars” to hold positions that would give them power to make radical changes in how our government works and, of course, he added more regulatory departments to make it difficult for our country to keep it’s status as the leading nation in job creation and fiscal responsibility, as well as innovative, industrial, scientific, and business growth. His changes have increased our dependence on oil and energy resources from other countries, raising the cost of both oil and gas consumption.
Our Failure-in-Chief has demonstrated that we, as Americans, are just completely incompetent of making our own decisions regarding our health care when he passed Obamacare that dictates that we “must” purchase health insurance, sign up for Obamacare or face a penalty of a fine and/or jail time. Now who wouldn’t just love a president like that? Doesn’t that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?
Is that the full assessment of what our beloved president has done for us in his three years in office? Not by a long shot! What other things has he and his administration trifled with to bring about this wonderful “transformation” to our country? Once again, let’s take a look.
He wants to regulate everything from how and where we do our banking, what kind of health insurance we should have, whether or not we can have a vegetable garden on our property and what we are allowed to do with what we have harvested, being able to pray when, where and how we want, what we say or do in protest against homosexuality, abortions, unionization, illegal immigration, government spending, or any other issues facing our country at this time that do not fall into compliance with this administration.
Instead of doing something positive to help stimulate job creation and domestic growth, he continues to push stimulus plans that have failed grossly and have put our country in an even worse financial meltdown than it was in before the stimulus plans came into being. Stimulus bills and continued government spending and borrowing is all that concerns Obama. He wants to see our country fail just as miserably as he has as our president. Nothing he has done during his term in office has benefited our country or our people in any way, shape or form. I can’t call him our leader (even president has a bad taste when I say it in relation to him); he has no leadership abilities. All he knows how to do is campaign. He’s been in that mode since 2008 and it doesn’t matter what we are facing as a nation, how our economy is spiraling out of control, how our citizens are hurting from lack of jobs, how healthcare costs keep rising, how our military and their families are suffering or even how we are coming under attack by those who would take the very core of our constitution and religious beliefs and just trample them under their feet.
As if that isn’t enough, he has placed our country in danger of becoming another European style country. How? Need you ask? What has been becoming so predominant in so many countries world-wide? If you don’t know the answer to that , you must be blind, deaf or both with no contact with the outside world. Can anyone say “Sharia Law”? Where does that come from? Islam, the Muslim Brotherhood and the Quran, of course. Does anyone know exactly how Sharia Law works? I did a search and found a list of countries that practice Sharia Law and exactly how they implement the rules contained within it. Don’t be shocked. You should know this by now; here is the list:
Countries using strict forms of Sharia Law include:
Death for Blasphemy:
1. Afghanistan 2. Bahrain 3. Iran 4. Mauritania 5. Oman 6. Pakistan 7. Yemen 8. Saudi Arabia 9. Gaza
Imprisonment for Blasphemy:
1. Algeria 2. Bangladesh 3. Egypt 4. Iraq 5. Kuwait 6. Libya 7. Malaysia 8. Maldives 9. Morocco 10. Somalia 11. Tunisia 12. United Arab Emirates
Nations that include some level of Sharia (leniant sentences for honour killings, ban on new churches, floggings, etc):
1. Indonesia (Flogging, Caning; Sharia applied strictly in Aceh province) 2. Turkey (Restrictions on alcohol) 3. Brunei (Caning, Alcohol is illegal) 4. Jordan (2 years or less for honour killings) 5. Eritrea (Girls as young as 8 can be married, spousal rape is not recognized) 6. Syria (1 year or less for honour killings) 7. Djibouti (Sharia law regarding divorce) 8. Chechnya (Modest dress enforced, Alcohol and gambling suppressed by local authorities) 9. Niger (girls can be married off before they reach puberty) 10. Nigeria (Sharia is enforced in the northern states) 11. Kenya (Ad Hoc Sharia enforced in the east near the border with Somalia) 12. Gambia (Sharia courts decide all family matters, including for non-Muslims) 13. Qatar (public consumption is illegal during Ramadan, Alcohol heavily restricted, blood money acceptable punishment for murder, “kafala” law which is also shared by all Gulf states but Bahrain is technically slavery) 14. Uganda (Kadhi Courts overseeing family and civil matters)
Most “Western” nations also have parallel Sharia legal systems (for example in Canada polygamy is widely practiced and authorities look the other way, Imams refusing to condemn or work to stop it). Sharia finance is also practiced in many nations around the world. Many other Islamic nations that do not apply Sharia (such as Azerbaijan, Albania, Bosnia, Uzbekistan, and Tajikstan) have large portions of their population who do want it applied or who actively seek to abide by it extra-legally.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_countries_use_Sharia_Law#ixzz1lAc7v3t6
There are a number of organizations that support Islam and their beliefs (one being CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations. Although their so-called religion of peace goes against every principle taught in our Christian faith, they believe that Americans should be understanding and tolerant of their beliefs. Anyone who knows anything at all about the Muslim (Islamic) faith, knows that Sharia Law is an un-bending part of that faith. How strictly they adhere to the rules set down by the Quran is determined by just where they live as seen in the list above. In nations where Sharia Law is followed strictly, women and children have no rights and must adhere to the dictates of the Law or be subject to severe physical beatings and/or death. No infringement of the law is tolerated. Men can abuse their wives in any manner they desire and if a child or spouse is found guilty of dishonoring the family, in the least degree, they can be killed and it is looked upon as an “honor killing”. There is no punishment affixed to honor killings.
Muslims dedicated to Islamic Sharia Law have no respect for human life and there is no equality between men and women. Men are always superior to women. Women must do only that which their husbands tell them they can do and they have absolutely no rights outside the home. They are abusive towards other religions and people; they will not tolerate those who will not accept their faith or those who may choose to leave Islam. These are considered infidels and are worthy of death. There is nothing in Sharia Law than can, in any way, compare to American Law because it is in complete contradiction to our laws. This is what we can look forward to if Obama is elected again. I can’t emphasize this enough. Wake up people! Don’t let this happen to our beloved country.
Does Obama recognize Islam and the Muslim faith? Watch this video and hear him talk about it in his own words and then you decide if you want him in office another four years. http://youtu.be/tCAffMSWSzY
I cannot cover everything that Obama has done to our country and perhaps I am being a bit repetitious in writing this article, but somehow I feel that I must continue to keep these things to the front to educate people about just what our president is really all about because even though I think that “the sleeping giant” has been awakened, I think there are still some who haven’t quite awakened to the reality of our situation with Obama. I think it’s critical that I continue, through my articles, to attest to those who may not be aware and are not as educated as they should be about the issues that plague our country because of the ineptitude and un-Americanism of our Failure-in-Chief. I’m sorry if that is offensive to some, but I just can’t respect a man who has, at every stage of his administration, done anything and everything to undermine our country, our beliefs, our values and our rights as American citizens. He has, not once, shown any desire to follow the “rule of law” as written by our forefathers in our Declaration of Independence, our Bill of Rights and our Constitution. These documents are what makes America the greatest nation on the earth and inspires its exceptionalism. No other country has ever had documents of that magnitude and with such sound principles as those contained in our founding documents.
I attest that the United States of America is a land that was prepared for, promised to and blessed by God for the sakes of those who live here and call it their home. He prepared great men to come to its rescue when Britain wanted complete control and He armed them with faith, honesty, humility, humanity, honor, and strength to become the victors over tyranny. God was at the helm, guiding each step, each action, and every word that proceeded forth from their mouths and their pens. He was the whisperer of knowledge through the Holy Ghost that brought us this truth: ” We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
I will leave you with this quote: “The God who gave us life gave us liberty…Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction…that these liberties are the gift of God?” Thomas Jefferson
k33j88 posted at 5:57 am on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
Saturday morning. 8:00 am Corner of Main & Recker Jack-in-the-box. They have a dollar menu. Looking forward to our meeting, and anyone else that posts here. It should be interesting. Thank You, Dale.
k33j88 posted at 5:50 am on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
All I ask is reasonably priced breakfast, civility, and a willingness to learn. Remember, being a former die-hard liberal, with some formal(but not an extensive education), I won't have an issue debating topics of your choice. Remember, this an informal meeting of alternate views. To quote your illustrious leader, unflatterring vitriol must be kept at a minimum. Thank you.
k33j88 posted at 5:41 am on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
Ready when you are----your therapy session is waiting.
Dale Whiting posted at 5:24 am on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
P.S. Perhaps the most frustrating thing about this site is its allowances of pseudonyms! "k33j88" is a screen you can and go hide behind. Why do you insist on hiding? What do you have to hide? Get my point?
Dale Whiting posted at 5:22 am on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
Name the time and the place! I'll be there.
And as far as conservative "respect, honesty, integrity, manners, numility and a willingness to listen" goes, read the comments to Jon Beydler's piece last evening. Then look at the comments posted to my piece about 18 months ago on Russell Kirk and the principles of classical conservatism. My attitude has become warped by the "neo-cons" on this cite that know nata of what true conservatism really stands for.
Your comment number is 277. You are a new comer to this site. My number is 2715. I have been on this site longer than has most everyone else. Many of those commenting about my piece have change their tunes and left. Some are less vocal. Cerulean and Rich gave support, though Rich's support was limited. Cerulean found reading Kirk difficult. Most do. But he caught on.
Again, name the time and place. I'll be there!
k33j88 posted at 12:12 am on Wed, Feb 8, 2012.
Anytime you wish to come out from hiding behind your keyboard, I'd be willing to buy you breakfast and enjoy a healthy discourse. This is a open invitation, Dale. Basic rules: respect, honesty, integrity, manners, humility, and a willingness to listen. Most of my friends have become somewhat disillusioned, die-hard liberals. By the Grace of God, I've convinced them of the error of some their ways. You might be just the challenge I've been waiting for. There may be hope for you. Your therapy is waiting. Remember, I once was in your mindset; practically wrote the book. Interested?
Masterrogue666 posted at 10:48 pm on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
As for Dale's "talent to compose":
"The louder and longer you shout" -- Actually, "louder" and "shout" don't work very well. May I suggest next time you use "more often" for louder, and "transcribe" or "express" your thoughts for shout?
What's sad is that Dale forget that he attempts insults. Why he thinks that takes talent is anyone's guess. IMHO, that's the last thing a "good writer" should do. But then, I don't share Dale's "talent to compose".
Masterrogue666 posted at 10:26 pm on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
I HAD to check the names. I laughed so hard I woke up the neighbors!!! LOL....
Slabside posted at 6:28 pm on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
"talent we both have"
Leon yes, you ... no.
At least I have a picture Dale. Let me suggest a picture befitting:
Charles Adrien Wettach
Achille Zavatta
Ernie Burch
Jose de Jesus Medrano
Emmett Kelly
Johann Ludwig Jacob
Yuri Nikulin
Please feel free to look up any of these suggestions and post their picture as your avatar. Any of them will fit you perfectly.
Dale Whiting posted at 5:55 pm on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
Slabside,
Leon and I don't agree on much. But we do agree that it takes some talent to compose a decent piece, talent we both have. You got any talent? Give it a try! Pick a topic and let's see what you can produce!
I suggest you try "guns." Judging from your picture, guns is about all you know or care about knowing.
Slabside posted at 5:22 pm on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
"The louder and longer you shout, the more insanity you desplay."
Says the "Tribune writer want to be" nutcase. [beam]
Dale Whiting posted at 4:58 pm on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
Keep it up Guys,
The louder and longer you shout, the more insanity you desplay. [beam]
Rational Human posted at 4:46 pm on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
Right fairygirl, this Obamanation has never even run a business before. He was a community organizer with Acorn before running for US Senator. As a Senator his accomplishments come to a sum total of ZERO! Then he ran for the president of The United States. From Acorn community organizer to the White House based on what? He may be the president, but he's definitely not the leader of 300 million people unless you're counting Muslims living in the middle east.
Slabside posted at 4:13 pm on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
TeaPartyPatriot, great post. Good job!
Masterrogue666 posted at 12:41 pm on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
I think Ron Paul also changed his position on ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION as well....
Accuracy posted at 10:47 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
TeaPartyPatriot posted how “Barack Hussien Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven”
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The nation-wide Tea Party will have a big influence in this year's race. So far, Tea Party supporters in each state are pretty divided and are supporting all of the Republican candidates – even a few who have dropped out.
Ron Paul (Dr. No) has a wide Tea Party support, but his views on foreign policy makes him unacceptable to some Republicans.
geekette posted at 10:05 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
@TeaPartyPatriot,
Snopes says "correctly attributed." Do you know what that means? Not that the ranting is true, but that Wayne Allan Root actually wrote it. That's all.
fairygirl posted at 9:16 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
Obama is not a corporate CEO. He's a Leader of 300 million Americans. To honor our leaders means that we behave in a way that shows we recognize their authority over us. Obama is over the Governor. Show him respect.
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 8:56 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
OBAMA'S COLLEGE CLASSMATE SPEAKS OUT
By Wayne Allyn Root , June 6th, 2010
Barack Hussien Obama is no fool.
He is not incompetent.
To the contrary, he is brilliant.
He knows exactly what he's doing.
He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. Economy to create systemic failure.
Economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and
Our country from within.
Barack Hussien Obama was my college classmate
He is a devout Muslim do not be fooled.
Look at his Czars...anti-business..anti- American.
As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one!
Barack Hussien Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven,
two professors at Columbia University ..
They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system.
With government spending and entitlement demands.
Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming.
Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority,
That desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on
to always vote for bigger government.
Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.
Universal Health Care .
The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions).
Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans
will add trillions to the national debt.
What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government .
Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill
In the middle of a depression?
Cap & Trade.
Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, Cap & Trade has nothing to do with global warming.
It has everything to do with redistribution of income, with government in control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors.
Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants.
They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power.
The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars,
bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."
Make Puerto Rico a state. Why?
Who's asking for a 51st state?
Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government
entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers.
But this has been Barack Hussien Obama's plan all along.
His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.
Legalize 12 million illegal Mexican immigrants.
Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America .
But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted
on to support big government.
Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security .
Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go?
It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country.
It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions).
A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues).
All those public employees (unions) will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America .
The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.
Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job
creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers,
redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did
nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama).
Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government.
Barack Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition. With the acts outlined above, Barack Hussien Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees (unions) who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.
Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by
my Columbia University college classmate Barack Hussien Obama
using the Cloward and Piven Plan ..
"Correctly attributed" says snopes!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/overwhelm.asp
Welcome to the new Soviet Union folks.
Accuracy posted at 8:52 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
Dale Whiting spouts again….
Even though we all know you (Dale) think that Liberal Democrat President Obama deserves a second term in office. Being especially insistent on how he is balanced and not done. You voted for him, or as you say “hired him” and you will vote for him again.
Dale Whiting posted at 8:49 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
k33j88,
Is that an admission that neither Romney nor Gingrich have a chance? Where so, don't fear any such greating events. The President approaches crowds with a smile and a outstreached hand. If you present him a similarily outstretched open palm, chances are you will be shaking hands, not kneeling down! But the choice will be yours! If you feel more comfortable, kneel!
k33j88 posted at 7:07 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
Thank you Leon----great letter!! When the "annointed one" gets re-elected, will we have to get on our knees to greet him? Would'nt that remove any "finger-pointing" gesture?
Dale Whiting posted at 3:49 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
Opps, Leon,
I just checked. You did author that "spoiled child" hypothesis. Now your trying a new CDO hypothesis. Beware, Leon, three strikes and your out![wink]
Dale Whiting posted at 3:46 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
P.S. Leon,
My hearty congratulations to you for having yet another of your pieces picked by this "radical, left leaning" newspaper. Too bad you and I apparently are the only regular commenters not hiding behind pseudonyms and who also can put words together sufficiently well to get printed!
Dale Whiting posted at 3:39 am on Tue, Feb 7, 2012.
Come on Leon!
You got the facts all wrong once again. May I start with a quote? I'll interject my comments in [brackets].
"She shows up to greet you in a loud outfit taking away some of your attention. [A bit presumpuous, don't you think. Brewer's wringled face more than offsets anything she might be wearing. But judging from his face, I doubt he even noticed the loud outfit. No one else but you has noticed it. Congratulations, you may be the first.]
You are ticked off. [Leon, you have some proof of the President's demeanor, do you?] You start telling her what she said about their [first] meeting was wrong. [No, he started by asking Brewer what her letter contained and she said it was her request for a SECOND meeting, one on her turf.] She tries to invite you to come and walk through her department [in other words, a second meeting on her turf, right?] and see her problems first hand but points her finger at you. [Remember the last hypothesis, the spoiled child hypothisis? It backfired on its author, didn't it!]
What do you do as CEO of the world's biggest department store? Hear her out because she is a department head and a woman too. [No, you explain to her what it was about her description of the prior meeting that gives you an aversion to meeting again for a second time, perhaps hoping that she might come to learned about how her own contribution to those prior losses needs to be viewed. After all Brewer's predecessor, Napalitano, learned and now we have more arrests and deportations that ever before, all of this with declining border crossings!]
Or turn away and ignore her problems? [What? Doesn't explaining to Brewer that what she did wrong in mischaracterizing the prior meeting disqualifies her from any future meetings?]
What should a good CEO do? [Precisely what the President did do. I hired him to do that! I plan on firing Brewer next chance I get. She's an embarrasment to Arizona.]
Geekette, you got it right and with far fewer words!
Cerulean, oh that Leon and Brewer would listen like you and I are listening. Wow, AZ would be passed over! That's a mighty fearsome revelation!
downtownresident, Slabside does have a good point. Cool it bro.
Willie, the President could not just walk away. He had to give Jan a moment or two, at least enough time to size her up and respond briefly to what she was asking of him. He did that and then went on his way, being as publically respectful as he could. It was a balancing act. And he was balanced, but as usual, Jan was not!
geekette posted at 11:07 pm on Mon, Feb 6, 2012.
A good CEO of the state would have allowed the media to focus on the accomplishments of the state, such as the Intel plant, and not grab attention to herself.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 10:17 pm on Mon, Feb 6, 2012.
LOL....I miss the old colorful "footprint of the American Chicken"....oops....I meant "footprint of the American pacifist".
Everybody seems to be "changing their stripes" lately. Just look at "draft dodger"...oops...there I go again...must be "senior moment day"...lol...I meant ..."draft deferrer", Mitt Romney....calling himself a "patriotic American".
I always thought patriotism meant "love of Country"....how much "love" was Mitt showing when he applied for a "man of God" deferrment from the Vietnam War Draft to scury across the Atlantic to Paris, France for 3 years on a "mission". Now Folks, I was stationed in France just a year or two before Mitt stepped foot on the Champs Elleysee and what French Man or Woman would ever even consider giving up the best wines and liquers in the World and the smelliest cigarettes in the World and change religions to boot. Does anyone know Mitt's "scorecard" for converts during the 3 years that 3 other American young men took Mitt's place in the Draft ???
Cerulean posted at 6:47 pm on Mon, Feb 6, 2012.
Gov. Brewer did have the attention of a CEO once. Craig Barrett, former CEO and chairperson for Intel told the Governess “. . . that if Intel were starting anew, Arizona likely wouldn’t be in the running for its business.” He also told her that “the state’s K-12 system was hindering economic –development efforts.”
So there she was gesturing to the President as if he were naughty when Barack was here to give Intel credit for all the hard work and achievement the company has made for American jobs. It is clear to me who is cordial and who is not.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/12/02/20111202intel-ceo-brewer-education-council.html
samkat posted at 5:43 pm on Mon, Feb 6, 2012.
Well, to settle the argument, he is only half Black and getting lighter by the day. :-)
downtownresident posted at 1:10 pm on Mon, Feb 6, 2012.
We all calls 'em like we sees 'em, I guess.
Rational Human posted at 11:36 am on Mon, Feb 6, 2012.
I would much rather have a billionaire, White conservative as president than this incompetent community organizer that never actually ran a business in his life. I see you capitalize Black but not White downtownresident. Is that a reflection on your racist view that anyone who doesn't vote for this Obamanation must be a racist? Obama is an incompetent loser that was obviously voted into office because of his color, but will soon be ousted due to the public's catching on to just what a huge mistake that was.
Arizona Willie posted at 11:36 am on Mon, Feb 6, 2012.
When the President landed on a tight schedule, that was not the time or place for a discussion.
I think there was disrespect on both sides.
As an experienced politican who lives by schedules hersel, she should have known better. I suspect she did.
It was no time to be presenting letters and trying to have a discussion about border issues.
And the President should have known better than to dispute her version of events in her book on the tarmac, Especially when he didn't have time for really talking.
BOTH PEOPLE WERE WRONG.
OK that settles that.
Move on.
Slabside posted at 11:33 am on Mon, Feb 6, 2012.
WELL FOLKS, WE HAVE A WINNER!!!
downtownresident wins today's LIBERAL JACKA_S_S RACIST AWARD" for interjecting bigotry into his post where none is warranted.
downtownresident obviously has such a weak liberal mind so racism is second nature when confronted with facts about his messiah.