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Posted: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:47 am

“So, Ron Paul got only 9 percent in the Arizona polls? Apparently only 9 percent of Arizonans can read and understand the U.S. Constitution? Only 9 out of a hundred Arizonans have any knowledge of U.S. history or the operation of our government as intended by the Founding Fathers? Only 9 percent understand basic economics and the free-market system? Sad!”

“Socialism is when the ruling class convinces the lower class that stealing from the middle and upper class is just. This is accomplished by telling the lower class that the plunder is going to them, when it’s really going to the ruling class.”

“We don’t get oil from Iran, refineries are all running at capacity, there is no shortage of crude oil, yet gas prices are going up. Looks like Big Oil wants to put a Republican in the White House!”

“Most sentences in a Michael Monti campaign speech consist of a noun, a verb, and ‘my good friend Hugh Hallman.’ Maybe he’ll actually reveal a discernible platform before election day.”

“If Sheriff Paul Babeu still believes the right wing Republicans will elect him to Congress, he is truly delusional. To think, he was sexually abusing an illegal alien. There is justice in the world.”

“What is this I read? The public unions may lose some of their power? Is that a bad thing? What is a union, if it is not the servant of the employee? What is a public employee, if not a servant of the government? What is the government, if not a servant of the general public? Who should have authority and power, the servant or the master?”

“This issue of prenatal ultrasound testing needs to be dropped as soon as possible before the terminal security agency starts getting ideas.”

“The venter who has no knowledge of Obama’s attack on our civil rights should pull their fingers out of their ears and stop singing la la la la la la la. The most typical immature liberal response.”

“Oh, oh, another accidental Quran burning. We all know what that means. The last time Obama had to go to Saudi Arabia and bow in half and kiss the King’s ring. I hazard to guess what Obama will do this time. Let’s hope it happens after the younger children are not watching the TV. Or maybe Obama will pull a ‘Christie’ and order the American flag all across the world to be lowered to half-mast in apology. Sure beats having to do the other thing.”

“Why does our Republican-led legislature hate students and their parents so much? It’s not good enough for them to try to kill them off with guns on campus, or starve public schools of funding in the name of school choice, but now they want to take away any excess scholarship money they may earn through their own classroom excellence, so that they are forced to pay at least $2,000 each semester. Many students work hard in their studies, and then work hard at a part-time job just to make ends meet. To send the message to students that they may now be ‘mediocre,’ because they certainly will not be rewarded for their good work is sending the wrong message — that, upon graduation, maybe their mediocrity will land them a seat as an AZ Republican legislator, where they may perpetuate the proud tradition of stupidity. No ‘best and the brightest’ there.”

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15 comments:

  • Dale Whiting posted at 6:51 pm on Wed, Feb 29, 2012.

    Dale Whiting Posts: 3705

    Mr. 666,

    Tag, your it! I just gave you your answer to last week's point about illegal immigration, explaining why I did not see your response. I have now responded.

     
  • Masterrogue666 posted at 8:29 pm on Mon, Feb 27, 2012.

    Masterrogue666 Posts: 1799

    Don't bother with Dale's challenge. The last one he made to me I did as he asked. It's a good thing I didn't hold my breath waiting for him to answer.....

    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/opinion/article_fa404818-5cf2-11e1-a591-001871e3ce6c.html

     
  • Accuracy posted at 6:45 pm on Sun, Feb 26, 2012.

    Accuracy Posts: 1988

    As a illegal alien sympathizers, Dale Whiting posted his usual rhetorical repertoire about SB 1070 constitutional issues.

    Arizona’s SB 1070 immigration law (also known as the Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act) may be a measure which has been partially blocked by a lawsuit brought by the Justice Department, but its effects have rippled across the nation.

    Arizona’s anti-immigration bill SB 1070 has become a model for the nation. There has been more than 15 other states across the nation that have introduced similar illegal immigration legislations that give newfound power to state law enforcement agencies when dealing with suspected illegals and foreign-born citizens (aliens) here illegally.

    On April 24, 2012, a U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Immigration will hold a hearing on Illegal Immigration and Refugees and Border Security, along with Arizona’s SB 1070 law, to look at both the legality and the sense of having state and local governments enforcing immigration law.

    Yes, on April 25, 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in the SB 1070 case.

    Arizona’s SB 1070 is an evident reaction to America's longstanding illegal immigration problem. Alabama has made it more difficult for illegal aliens to violate the laws; and that in turn opened up jobs. Since Alabama’s crack down on illegal immigration, the state’s unemployment rate has shrunk and Alabama has added 35,400 new jobs since January of 2011.

     
  • Dale Whiting posted at 10:40 am on Sun, Feb 26, 2012.

    Dale Whiting Posts: 3705

    Accuracy,

    Whether or not SB1070 survives this spring's ruling, it's the low character of the debate over it's constitutionality on this blog that proves we Arizona's just do not understand constitutional issues.

    Sure the individual mandate in the Affordable Healthcare act has its own unique problems. Relying on an even broader expansion of the "Commerce Clause" will present problems for this court. I expect to see a 5 to 4 ruling on this matter. Clearly an individual mandate is constitutional if enacted by a state. But the feds have ways of encouraging states to go along.

    But the issues of failing to understand the constitution really come out in our unsophisticated arguments over SB1070. The state laws you appear to reference seem to colide with both constitutional issues and the exercise of discretion by the feds as to what and how to enforce federal laws. It's that lack of understanding, including a debate on these matters, which demonstrates our collective ignorance of these issues.

    So how about it? Care to take on SB1070 one constitutional issue at a time? Or can you spot each individual constitutional issue? My guess is that your understanding of the constitution is all touchy feely!

    If you care to start, begin with the holding in our Arizona Federal Court. It goes through each issue one at a time.

     
  • truth posted at 3:11 pm on Sat, Feb 25, 2012.

    truth Posts: 1002

    Arizona Willie, look up Admistration cost Health Care. I read 40% Wall Street Journal.

     
  • Accuracy posted at 11:18 am on Sat, Feb 25, 2012.

    Accuracy Posts: 1988

    Speaking for himself, Dale Whiting posted: “SB1070 made it perfectly clear that we Arizonans can't understand constitutional issues!”

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    It’s the U.S. Supreme Court’s action that will rule and decide this year if the Arizona’s SB 1070 law is constitutional. After-all, it was the U.S. Supreme Court that concluded the Arizona employer-sanctions law (HB 2162), that penalizes businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants, is constitutional.

    "Arizonans can't understand constitutional issues"?? Utah passed HB497, which is an Arizona-style immigration enforcement law, and it now stands in direct contrast to the “Utah Compact”.

    The Supreme Court rules on SB1070 will affect illegal immigration laws in Utah, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and Indiana.

     
  • Dale Whiting posted at 8:46 am on Sat, Feb 25, 2012.

    Dale Whiting Posts: 3705

    First Venter:

    Stop all of your complaining. SB1070 made it perfectly clear that we Arizonans can't understand constitutional issues!

     
  • Accuracy posted at 7:10 pm on Fri, Feb 24, 2012.

    Accuracy Posts: 1988

    The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled the individual mandate “unconstitutional”, but ruled the individual mandate to be severable from the rest of the law, and found the remaining provisions legally operative.

    The individual mandate forcing Americans to buy health care insurance is a core part of health care overhaul. The Court of Appeals’ ruling was appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which announced that it will hear oral arguments in the matter March 26, 27 and 28.

    The mandate is not severable from President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“ObamaCare”) because the law will not function as its congressional proponents intended or achieve their objectives without the presence of the mandate.

    ObamaCare is Communism; under it, President Obama will have the authority to restrict our liberty by forcing all Americans to purchase a particular service – health insurance. There cannot be freedom when the government can order health insurance companies to not only cover a certain product and service but cover that product and service for free. 120 Republican members of Congress believe the ObamaCare law is unconstitutional and should be struck down. 36 Senate Republicans have filed a friend of the court brief to determine whether the other provisions of the law are legally viable in the event the Supreme Court also finds the mandate unconstitutional.

     
  • Arizona Willie posted at 6:30 pm on Fri, Feb 24, 2012.

    Arizona Willie Posts: 1980

    Truth, I don't know where you come up with your 40% figure.

    You don't give any sources and / or links to verify that ... you just pull a figure out of the air ( putting it in polite terms ).

    But I'm sure it is very very high if you count all the paperwork for the insurance companies and all the lawyers salaries they have working to figure out loopholes so they can deny paying for your doctor bills.

    Private insurance companies only pay out 70% of the premiums in benefits. The rest goes to Executive Bonuses, and advertising, and administration.

    So you're at 30% there.

    Medicare pays out 92% of premiums in benefits and has no multi-million dollar executives so their administrative expense would be approx 8%.

    But it isn't right to take private insurance 30% rate and Medicare's 8% rate and add them together and say administrative cost = 40%.

    Wouldn't it be better if everyone was on Medicare and administrative expense was cut to only say 10%?

    Right wingers say they don't want a government bureaucrat making health decisions --- but they are willing to pay a private insurance company bureaucrat to make the same health decisions only the private bureaucrat gets paid to DENY your claims.

     
  • truth posted at 4:04 pm on Fri, Feb 24, 2012.

    truth Posts: 1002

    Arizona Willie, you forgot one thing admistration cost for healthcare in the U.S. is 40%

     
  • Arizona Willie posted at 3:08 pm on Fri, Feb 24, 2012.

    Arizona Willie Posts: 1980

    3rd venter ... when gasoline prices skyrocketed under Bush the right wingers claimed the President had NOTHING to do with the price of gasoline and did not have any influence on it.

    But, since Obama is in office, the right wingers now claim the high price of gas is Obama's fault.

     
  • Arizona Willie posted at 3:06 pm on Fri, Feb 24, 2012.

    Arizona Willie Posts: 1980

    Truth, the problem with the health care system is doctors.

    Doctors own most of the stock in medical insurance companies.

    Doctors own all the labs.

    Why do they send you for tests?

    Sometimes because they own the lab they are sending you to.

    Doctors own the blood banks. You know the place where you DONATE your blood and then when someone gets it in the hospital they charge them $400 for each pint for blood that was GIVEN to them.

    Doctors own most of the stock in pharmaceutical companies too.

    If you want to fix the medical system --- make it illegal for doctors to own labs or stock in labs and also insurance companies.

    Doctors should not be allowed to have a financial interest in any medical company other than their own practice.

    Make it illegal for pharmaceutical companies to pay for doctors ( and their families ) trips to " seminars ".

    Make it illegal for pharmaceutical companies to give doctors bonuses / prizes / rewards or any other euphemism for bribe, depending on how many prescriptions for their drugs they wrote.

    Doctors should not be allowed to have a financial interest in any medical company other than their own practice. There are plenty of other areas they can invest their money. It's a conflict of interest when doctors have a financial interest in other medical businesses.

     
  • truth posted at 2:35 pm on Fri, Feb 24, 2012.

    truth Posts: 1002

    What I have noticed about some VENT writers, they run off at the mouth and use words, if they took the time to look them up they are false or un-true but when others give facts they stick their head in the sand and shut up. I still say engage brain before mouth. U.S. health care cost $7,500. per person a year most other industrial countries $ 2,500. look it up or shut up.[beam][beam]

     
  • sdjtaz posted at 12:33 pm on Fri, Feb 24, 2012.

    sdjtaz Posts: 127

    Inaccuracy, Let's see, what you term Obamacare won a majority of votes in both the House and Senate, then was signed into law by the President. This is how laws get made in the United States. Since you oppose this process, it must mean that you are hate the United States and be unAmerican. Additionally, what you term Obamacare uses private HMO's, private hospitals, private doctors, and private pharmacies in providing medical care. As such, it doesn't even come close to Communism. In fact, it is very similar to Medicare (as well as the medical care system supplied by most employers that cover medical benefits).

     
  • Accuracy posted at 12:04 pm on Fri, Feb 24, 2012.

    Accuracy Posts: 1988

    Second Venter wrote: “Socialism is when the ruling class convinces the lower class that stealing from the middle and upper class is just. This is accomplished by telling the lower class that the plunder is going to them, when it’s really going to the ruling class.”

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    While, "Communism" is a system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

    Clearly describes Obama’s Big Government “Change”, "Communism", and “ObamaCare” that was forced though Congress without the American people having a chance to see what it actually was.

     
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