First of all, women have always been a victim of the male sex drive. That's the first reason society should pay for my birth control.
Second, I still don't have a job in this miserable economy, and you do, so it's only fair you share with me.
Third, as a society, which views itself as compassionate, it makes sense that government assures charitable giving. So many people think it should be up to them how their money is spent. I'm thinking Jesus would side with government.
And, there's something else, it makes sense to me that you help pay for my abortion should I need one. Afterall, society will be better off if I don't have a child I don't want.
Besides, I already have three children I can't take care of. Their fathers - yes, I've had several boyfriends - won't pay one dime to help me. They say, "Schools serve free breakfasts and lunches all year-round. Feed them there."But, what about dinner? I need help with that, too.
Hey, this isn't funny. Women everywhere deal with these problems. Yeah, OK, lots of programs already provide free food, contraception and even abortions, without government intervention, but why should I have to look for them?
And, what's with this deal that churches don't want to help? These same churches demean other denominations, attack presidential candidates over how they worship, and now, suddenly, they're united. What's with that? How can they define themselves as devoted to serving mankind, loving the neighbors andyaddayaddayadda? Go figure.
The real truth is, the church's issues are about judgment. They think I should be more careful with my sex life. For sure, that's none of their business!
Some people say President Obama is buying votes. Well, why not? This new idea of leveling out the haves, down to the have-nots, is a great one. And, what's interesting -- now mind you, I don't think a whole lot about politics - but what's interesting to me is how many people agree with him. That says something, don't you think?
And, on this subject, I have a brother who's an alcoholic.He needs his free rehab care.Yeah, I know they say it's really not free, that you're paying for that too, but still, he's desperate.
Of course he can't work, though he's a skilled engineer, so his family needs help, too.
Really, folks, it's not my brother's fault he got addicted. First of all, alcohol is legal everywhere. It's part of the American culture. How could he know he'd get caught in the addiction hell hole? Look at how it's the first thing college kids are introduced to: booze parties every night, binge drinking competitions.
Come to think of it, birth control pills, morning after pills and abortions are really needed in those circumstances.
I'm offended at how selfish you are. You have more money than I do, and even if you didn't there are certain social issues every one of us should pitch in to help with, well at least those of you who have jobs. OK, maybe you carry more than one job and have been careful to save money, but still, I have rights, too, you know.
As for your spiritual beliefs? Get real. Why should I suffer just because you believe in personal responsibility and the sanctity of life, and, oh yeah, your so-called constitutional rights?
What about me? It's just not fair. Shame on you.
downtownresident posted at 8:35 am on Sat, Feb 18, 2012.
Spoken like the truly hypocritical Mormon that you are.
Shame on you!
Leon Ceniceros posted at 8:39 am on Sat, Feb 18, 2012.
When did "decency" go out the window? When did women lose their moral compass? When did a woman's "reputation" mean nothing?
6,000,000 Abortions since 1970........SIX MILLION ABORTIONS.
Abortions used to be the last resort for woman who had been raped or it was life-threatening........NOW WOMEN FEEL THAT GETTING AN ABORTION IS JUST LIKE GETTING YOUR EARS PIERCED OR A TATTOO (when I was growing up in the 1950's the only women who had tattooes were "fallen doves").
What is truely disgusting is that the women getting these abortions left and right are not just 16year olds living in trailer parks but..........EDUCATED, SUCCESSFUL WORKING WOMEN.
You mean to tell me that none of the 6,000,000 women that had abortions never had a high school class on human reproduction. 6,000,000 American women do not know that having "unprotected sex" will more than likely result in conception.
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX....DON'T ASK ME TO KILL YOUR FETUS...........PAY FOR YOUR OWN ERRORS IN JUDGEMENT AND PAY FOR YOU OWN ..........BIRTH CONTROL PILLS OR CONDOMS TOO.
mesateacher posted at 9:36 am on Sat, Feb 18, 2012.
downtown: this is supposedly facetious. She's trying to make a point and be funny -- doesn't work to well though.
Hey, I'm overweight thanks to TV commercials, the expense of a gym, and McDonalds. Do you suppose the government will pay for my gastric by-pass and after care? And my excess skin removal? Why not? The Dems will give us all everything!!!
Cnsieler posted at 9:39 am on Sat, Feb 18, 2012.
I have type 2 diabetes. Hey wait a minute it was not my fault food is everywhere. It is legal. Maybe you should help pay for my insulin.
Wow this is great logic
You have convinced me
Choices do not have consequences?
In your world anything goes, and let everyone else deal with my results?
chatmandu002 posted at 10:12 am on Sat, Feb 18, 2012.
Linda, I get it. LOL But so many don't understand the dependency of government control. Loss of free will, personal responsibility and freedom just to name a few of the results from our slide into progressive socialism.
Dale Whiting posted at 12:18 pm on Sat, Feb 18, 2012.
Linda,
Your extreme sarcasm just does not fit you well. And far too many commenters can't tell your carcastic trees from the forest.
Now let's get serious. Most [but not all] faiths do not condemn those who use the various birth control measures, the pill being the most commonly used. And as far as insurance companies are concerned, paying the cost of these pills is cheaper than paying for prenatal care and birthing. Add in the expense of child care and the balance is surely way off scale.
So the issue is "Are we going to follow through with the logical extensions of the Women's Movement [a measure our faith did not support], allowing women to have careers, or are we going to take that choise back?" Where most want to choose, [as I said in my piece - it's all about choice], Republicans had better count their supporters again. It just might not be all about the economy. It might be about stupid Republicans!
You in your age group, were the acception to the rule. And chances are, you paid a price for being an exception. But I'm happy you made the choice that you did!
Accuracy posted at 12:28 pm on Sat, Feb 18, 2012.
Question for Linda Turley-Hansen…… About LDS Church, colloquially known as the Mormon Church. Do almost all Mormon’s believe in birth control?
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has charged that President Obama is infringing upon "religious liberty" by requiring faith-based organizations provide birth control coverage for their employees. “Mormon” Romney has also accused the president of "using ObamaCare to impose a secular vision on Americans who believe that they should not have their religious freedom taken away."
In general, Catholics do not believe in birth control. Obama’s contraception law "compromise" is by requiring the insurance companies to provide those services free of charge, without co-pays, and without hassle. Obama is forcing Catholics and other religious organizations to choose between breaking their moral codes to provide insurance with the offensive coverage to their employees or breaking the civil law by not providing the insurance.
mnjcpa posted at 1:48 pm on Sat, Feb 18, 2012.
The liberal left has infiltrated our society to the point where our culture has been desecrated. One where Democrats have created voters out of millions of people that are dependent on the government to live. Not at all what our founders envisioned.
Need birth control? No problem - it's free! Need food, housing, or requirement to gain skills to continue to get unemployment - no problem it's yours. It starts at the top with our commander in chief who has yet to take responsibility for any of his policies. So next up is to attack the doctrines of the first amendment. This has NOTHING to do with with women's health care. It's to spit in the face of your detractors and take the focus off what real problem is and it's your failed policies.
Cerulean posted at 8:06 pm on Sat, Feb 18, 2012.
Gee Wizz mnjcpa, I don’t know anyone who has FREE insurance. I pay a premium for my insurance. Do you actually know people who use FREE insurance (other than your friends on Medicaid)? Please, please tell us all where we can sign-up for FREE insurance.
mariapar posted at 8:11 pm on Sat, Feb 18, 2012.
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There are several comments trying to mislead in reference to Rick Santorun conservatism . His beliefs are just HIS BELIEFS and I do not feel he is trying to impose THEM on ME. HE HAS BEEN CONSISTANT, it is very simple RICK SANTORUM WILL FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION AND THE LAW, Our Constitution guarantees 'freedom of choice' and it is a woman's right to apply that to her private life. It is between her and her conscience and her God. It is no one else's business to tell her what to do. If she practices a religion that asks her to preserve life, then it is HER decision to follow or not. It is NOT the role of government nor public pressure to make those decisions for her. This is so simple. What is all the fuss over this, anyway? People must be very bored with their lives to carry on about this the way they do. Move on and get a life. THE ROBOTS ARE TRYING TO CONVERT YOU IN ROMNEY SHEEPS, DO YOU KNOW THERE ARE REAL ROMNEY SHEEPS? DO NOT BE ONE MORE ! YOU ARE INTELLIGENT, THINK FOR YOURSELF- YOU ARE AN AMERICAN PROUD TO BE ONE ! RESEARCH EACH CANDIDATE FOR YOURSELF ! DO NOT BE BRAINWASHED, SANTORUM IS OUTSPEND BY ROMNEY 40 (FORTY) TO 1 (ONE ) http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/sheep/romney/
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Gilbert Watch posted at 8:18 am on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
Linda! This is too funny!! We watch our country sliding into a faster and faster decline, and we try to stop it every way possible. What can one do to get the "American public" to see what we are becoming? We have allowed our government to turn us into a vast, entitled, demanding, "helpless" society. What is there to do but poke fun at the entire circus? Satire. Thank you for the hearty laugh this morning!!
sockratties posted at 1:06 pm on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
LTD – You’re not very good at satire because your self-righteous cynicism betrays you. Why didn’t you just say “Let them eat cake?” Live in your safe little castle in your make believe land of Oz. But don’t pull back the curtain. You might find the emperor has no clothes!
mnjcpa posted at 2:38 pm on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
Cerulean - you don't get the sarcasm. It's what many of the commentators are discussing that the liberal left has created millions of people - legal or otherwise - that believe that everything in life is "free".
If someone actually believes that insurance companies will provide this for "free" as Obama indicates, they're fooling themselves. Gilbert Watch says it best....what happened to our society to allow our government to turn us into a vast, entitled, demanding, helpless society? It has nothing to do with what Dale speaks of furthering the women's movement - it's a trampling of the first amendment - that pesky document that gets in Obama's way.
Masterrogue666 posted at 3:54 pm on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
I'd guess she's being sarcastic. I have been careful, and RESPONSIBLE for the choices I MADE. I don't think others should have to pay for the mistakes I've made. That's why I don't think I should have to pay for the mistakes of others.....
Cerulean posted at 4:26 pm on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
mnjcpa,
You are wrong. No one said that anything is free except YOU. The deal is that women, 50% of the population, will not have to pay EXTRA for their contraception. She must have insurance to get that guaranteed coverage. INSURANCE THAT SHE PAID FOR.
You, if you are male, also get guaranteed coverage for uniquely male ailments. It works both ways.
mnjcpa posted at 5:00 pm on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
Cerulean - this is a ridiculous debate but I've obviously struck a nerve.
So if women don't have to pay extra for contraception what is it then a coupon? If you honestly think that it is provided by the insurance companies without additional cost then you're the one that doesn't get it. You honestly think they're going to just eat those costs? They will be passed on to ALL policyholders in the way of higher premiums.
Linda is trying to make light of a very serious problem we have in America where a broad cross section of people think that the government should provide everything for them. That's the point she is making light of - the sadness of that expectation.
Cerulean posted at 6:10 pm on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
mnjcpa, First, the government does not provide insurance.
It is up to your insurance provider to negotiate a lower cost for prescription drugs and pass those savings on to you. It is up to you to choose a provider that offers you the best deal for your money. That is called competition in our capitalist system. The government only requires that women are guaranteed contraception coverage when she purchases insurance. She is NOT asking you or Linda to pay for her healthcare anymore than YOU ask her to pay for yours!
samkat posted at 6:41 pm on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
To all of the pro lifers out there, particularly Leon and Linda: How many of the 10.500 unwanted children in CPS custody have you adopted?
mnjcpa posted at 7:07 pm on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
You still don't get it Cerulean. If the government mandates that coverage, those costs are passed on to someone. If you really believe that the insurance company is going to absorb those costs without passing it on to ALL policyholders then you live in dreamland. Again - Linda is making light over a sad situation in our society. Nothing else to add, over and out.
Dale Whiting posted at 7:23 pm on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
No mnjcpa, you are wrong.
You say "If the government mandates that coverage, those costs are passed on to someone." Where that so, insurance companies would be joining in the discussion. But they realize that providing contraception services to women actually saves them money. It's far cheaper to prevent unwanted pregnancies that it is to do something about them after the fact. As I explained in my piece, that was the genious of Obama's so called compromise.
mnjcpa posted at 9:14 pm on Sun, Feb 19, 2012.
Dale - The health care companies aren't joining in to the debate because they've got bigger things to be concerned about. They know the long term plan of the liberals is to take out private health care companies. I've had this discussion with the CFO of the one of Arizona's major health care companies and he told me personally that premiums will rise a minimum of 20% due to this mandate. So no Dale, I'm not wrong - you are.
If you don't choose pregnancy as part of your plan, unwanted pregnancies aren't covered anyway - so your argument is flawed. This cost - and the indirect violation of the first amendment wasn't genius. It's just another government takeover in steps.
k33j88 posted at 12:00 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
Thank you Linda. You hit a home run and rattled some nerves in the process. Dale, Cerulean, sockratties, downtownresident: I've got carpel tunnel syndrome from trying to understand your logic, and responding in kind on my unergonomic keyboard. Hope you all are taxpayers, not tax users. Surgery, therapy, new keyboard, emotional distress, stress related syndrome. Now I can't drive, clean my yard, wash my car, put on my pants in the morning. Brush my teeth, cook, clean----even my eyesight has been affected by this darn keyboard. HMMM----must call that socialist sweetheart, nancy pelosi----she'll help me with all of the entitlement programs that you tax payers must provide. D----the torpedoes, obama must shred whats' left of the Constitution before it's too late. Gee---and to think of all the excess entitlements if I was born a woman.
Cerulean posted at 8:31 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
mnjcpa, 20% ???
Wal-Mart sells birth control pills for $9 a pack. For women who have insurance and a $10 copay, they save little.
The interesting news is that Wal-Mart charges women $5 dollars MORE for generic birth control pills than they charge for ALL OTHER generic drugs. Why the difference? Elderly men get their very expensive Lamicil for $4 while young women are paying $9 for cheap birth control pills. I’d say that WalMart is using young women to subsidize the cost of more expensive drugs for the old men.
http://www.tbtam.com/2007/09/walmart-offering-9-birth-control-pills.html
mnjcpa posted at 8:55 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
Cerulean - clearly you have a much better understanding of finances than the CFO of a very large healthcare insurance company but it really is as simple. It's not a matter of what you pay individually for those costs at Walmart. It's that by providing it for "FREE" - someone pays for it - meaning you and all of the other policyholders. It's just another form of redistribution of wealth - where the producers pay for the non-producers. But I guess I'm "fortunate".
mnjcpa posted at 10:17 am on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
k33j88 is right on.
Linda is making light of a horrific problem in American culture. Step by step, little by little, mandates are made where people expect the government to take care of them. It's not the America I grew up with.
VofReason posted at 1:17 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
I don't like the comedic angle on this. I generally agree with Linda, but this is not an area to be snarcky. The idea that someone has to pay for your condoms or pregnancy pills is rediculous. Paying for your abortion is abhorant. Those who argue that someone else needs to is just saying that people are to dumb to take care of themselves.
Cerulean posted at 2:58 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
mnjcpa, "where the producers pay for the non-producers"
It sounds to me like you have been listening to Richard D. Wolff.
Lets see - wasn't that under the heading of 'Exploitative' and 'Capitalist'?
mnjcpa posted at 5:40 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
Spot on VofReason - said perfectly.
sockratties posted at 5:59 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
Cerulean – why do you equate terbinafine hydrochloride (Lamicil) with old men? Don't young men get athlete's foot and toe-nail infections too? Does Lamicil cost less for women? I think you're really scraping to make that connection.
Cerulean posted at 6:14 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
sockratties, Because I had no idea what it was for, so it must be for old men. [wink]
sockratties posted at 2:43 pm on Wed, Feb 22, 2012.
[beam] Thanks Cerulean. I needed that!
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