Having read your March 6 article, “Brewer disagrees with Arpaio finding, believes Obama birth record real,” I think a few comments are in order.
I am with the Surprise Tea Party and I developed the plan to approach Sheriff Arpaio to request an investigation into the authenticity of the Obama certificate of live birth.
After six months of formal law enforcement investigation, the MCSO/Cold Case Posse delivered its report to the public at a press conference on March 1.
The five investigators discovered probable cause exists regarding the crimes of forgery and fraud regarding Mr. Obama’s selective service registration form and his long-form birth certificate. INS records were also discovered missing at the National Archives. And a person of interest has been identified.
As the liaison for the Surprise Tea Party and the MCSO, I personally invited Gov. Brewer to attend the press conference. She never replied to my invitation. I, along with four other Surprise Tea Party members, attended with the approval of Sheriff Arpaio. The report by the MCSO was professional and convincing.
While I applaud the governor’s support of SB 1070, and I understand her retreat from the eligibility bill because it went too far, I am dismayed that Gov. Brewer would discount the MCSO report that we hand-delivered to her office and to nine other Arizona elected officials.
Your support for a bill as outlined in our March 6 letter could save Arizona and America. We need to see some Barry Goldwater courage, Governor.
Brian Reilly
Sun City West
Dale Whiting posted at 2:45 pm on Thu, Apr 5, 2012.
Willie,
It would appear that the Tea Party has a new theory. It goes something like this:
Sure Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, but to parents of different citizenships, making him a dual citizen. And although the US does not recognize dual citizenship, if for reasons unknown he attended college, first in CA, then in NY under the largess of the Ayers, claiming to be a foreign student, he has renounced his US citizenship and cannot get it back.
Nice theory, but not one founded on law.
Bottom line. With the potential of a slowly recovering economy, where the GOP has fallen into both the birther GAP and the contraceptives GAP, thereby loosing many women's votes, with the GOP base not developing much interest in Romney such that voter turn out on the right is highly questionable, the one thing Brewer and Arpaio can do to make things much worse for the GOP is pursue legislation barring the President from the November ballot.
Either the Supremes will have to award all electoral college votes to the President, or they will have to award no electoral college votes to anyone. Either way, the President will "sweep" Arizona. Looks like the GOP will be making it easy for this life long registered Republican to vote for Democrates once again! This time I won't have to read candidates' books. Romney hasn't written any books. Betting on big business only requires book making skills.
sockratties posted at 10:16 am on Wed, Apr 4, 2012.
It's said you can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time but not all of the people all the time. The GOP fooled all the people for a while and they're trying to fool some of us again, but... you know the rest.
If you don't have a better candidate, and you don't like his politics, and you don't have better ideas, the thing to do is to defame his character, jam up congress with do nothing stalling and try to scare your under-informed minions with false claims. The birther's deflections are just more roadblocks on the political highway; politics as usual. Look how the GOP wannabes are slapping each other around with big money and negative ads while pandering in the primary campaigns. If a Republican manages to get in the white house they will be severely damaged goods, here and on the world stage just as they have tried to damage Obama. It's enough to gag a maggot. Worse than the cheesy grits are the cheesy smiles.
Arizona Willie posted at 10:10 am on Wed, Apr 4, 2012.
Justice2012 --- no sir, you have NOT seen an original document unless you have viewed the actual PAPER document --- not something on a website ... even the Whitehouse website is still not seeing the the original document.
Only holding the paper in your hand ( or viewing it under glass in a display case to prevent damage ) counts as seeing the original document. Anything on the Internet or a news broadcast does not count as the original document.
Accuracy --- did Sheriff Joe's " investigators " go to Hawaii to see the originals?
If not, then just like the rest of the insane tea partiers they are barking at the moon over a video image from some websites.
If they require proof of Obama's birth then ALL candidates will have to produce proof or that is discrimination and will not stand in court.
Accuracy posted at 1:49 pm on Tue, Apr 3, 2012.
CSalafia posted: "I love reading the pure fantasy created by the birthers."
Well then, here’s more!
Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Mike Zullo, the lead investigator of the taxpayer cost-free Cold Case Posse that conducted the investigation, held a publicly open press conference in Sun City, Arizona on March 31, 2012. They revealed in detail the preliminary findings of credible forensic evidence that Barack Hussein Obama presented to the world a forged Birth Certificate.
Signatures were collected from 1,092 Arizonians on a petition which contains a request that the state legislature pass a resolution requiring the Chairwoman of the Democrat National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, to submit proof of Constitutional eligibility for Barack Hussein Obama as a condition to have his name placed on the ballot.
Chilidog posted at 11:02 am on Tue, Apr 3, 2012.
What's the deal with the water there in Sun City? Why are all the resident's so obviously nutz?
CSalafia posted at 10:04 am on Tue, Apr 3, 2012.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH!
I love reading the pure fantasy created by the birthers. It never fails to start my day off with a good laugh!
In_God_We_Trust posted at 9:24 am on Tue, Apr 3, 2012.
Why should Obama furnish any records beyond the Constitutional requirements of citizenship and age? Indeed why should he? What amazes me is that no one can produce any documentation proving that Mao-bama is an American citizen except for the obviously photo shopped PDF files it put on it's web page. He never ever proved he was born in America because he can't.
Arizona Willie posted at 7:40 am on Tue, Apr 3, 2012.
Why should Obama furnish any records beyond the Constitutional requirements of citizenship and age?
Anything he produces the right wing just labels forgeries anyway so there is zero upside for him to produce ANYTHING.
What he doesn't produce can't be called a forgery.
It's just amazing to me that the Republican Party with all it's money and influence could not produce any documented proof that Obama is not a citizen -- but Joe TeaParty can with no more than a computer and an internet site.
Dale Whiting posted at 7:24 am on Tue, Apr 3, 2012.
Ok Tea Party toast,
Let's look at this closer. 1) there is not requirement to show pass port records. But logically when he left Chicago to visit Kenya after college, he got one from some where. But when he left Hawaii for Indonesia, he travelled as a child on his Mother's. Would you have the passport of a dead woman disclosed. And while were in indonesia 2) the president started school there, private school if I recall correctly. And I'm not sure they had kindergarten. But his mom also home schooled him on English, and on topics she believed his private school might not be providing. Do we need to see these records?
Now the rest of those records you wish to see could be the subject of some subpoena if you have brought suit on some issue with a credible cause of action and the elements to be proved had a relevant relationship to those records. Your second 186 line long diatribe seems to tie these all together. I am aware of only one relevant issue, his country of native birth but your renunciation theory is novel. The suit on brith certification must be brought in Hawaii. The suit on renunciation probably would need to be brought in the Federal District Court in D.C.
So why don't we send Sheriff Joe and his posse to Hawaii or to Washington?
As to your 'even bigger' question about the main stream media, they haven't followed up on these other issues because they know how futile doing so would be. They would loose all of their credibility and have to start competing with Faux News for the nut case crowd! To interest the media, first you need to explain just how a rather promising highschool kid graduating from school in Hawaii would come to the attention of the Ayers family, such that they would lend financial support to him.
So in order to focus some productive conspiratiorial activity, let's pursue this line next, OK?
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 6:54 am on Tue, Apr 3, 2012.
On March 7th, 2012, Pravda called out the U.S. press for its deliberate neglect of the largest scandal in modern American history. Maricopa County, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio released credible forensic evidence that Barack Obama, presumed President of the United States, presented to the world a forged Birth Certificate on April 27th, 2011.
Since then, the scandal has only expanded. Former United States Postal Service worker Allen Hulton has recently come forward with compelling testimony given under Oath, which leads to only one conclusion: Barack Obama attended College in the United States as a Foreign Student.
In the summer of 2008 the presidential primary season was winding down, and America could not help but note the fervor a significant number of media personalities expressed while supporting the candidacy Barack Obama. Indeed, it was collectively decided within the liberal media, that Obama’s associations with racist pastors and violent domestic terrorists was to be suppressed.
The exposure of the “Journolist” email scandal in 2010 made this glaringly clear: Stories like Obama’s ties to Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr. of the Trinity United Church, and more relevant, to Bill Ayers and his radical past in the Weather Underground Organization were to remain largely un-reported and uninvestigated. Any realistic investigation into Barack Obama’s background was to be minimized, inquiries eventually mocked, and investigators labeled racists.
These tactics have isolated honest media who could and should have reported on these and other important stories yet have inexplicably remained silent. Now we know why. More on this in a moment.
The Postman
Retired United States Postal Worker Allen Hulton recently signed a sworn affidavit for the Maricopa County, Arizona Cold Case Posse convened by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, attesting under oath, to conversations with Mary Ayers, the mother of Bill Ayers. He made his testimony public in a three hour long taped interviewed on March 19th, 2012. Mr. Hutton, by signing an affidavit has subjected himself to laws regarding perjury, not something to be taken lightly as telling the truth is now for him a requirement of law.
His testimony states Mary and Tom Ayers (Parents of Bill ''I don't regret setting bombs” Ayers) were sponsoring Barack Obama as a foreign student, and financially supporting his education.
This is a huge revelation on not one, but two separate fronts.
Bill Ayers of dubious “Weatherman” fame, was not just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood”, as then candidate Obama brushed aside. The video linked here comes from a televised DNC Debate in the summer of 2008. As Hillary Clinton revealed then, Obama served in a paid position on the Woods Foundation with Bill Ayers and the two were involved in several projects dispersing millions of dollars over several years.
Realistically, the Ayers family could be said to have adopted Barack Obama, if not as a son then certainly as a kindred Marxist spirit, and treated him to one of the finest educations possible.
There is little doubt Mr. Obama has been less than honest with regard to the Ayers family and their significance in his life.
As disingenuous as this is, it is by no means the most important revelation.
If correct, and Obama was introduced to Hulton as a Foreign Student, this means Barack Hussein Obama would have been using a Foreign Passport to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities. Because Hulton has signed an Affidavit, this cannot be disregarded as mere hearsay; it is instead evidentiary in nature.
The significance of this development may not be immediately apparent until one recognizes American law regarding citizenship status. Citizenship laws as expressed in Title 8 of the United States Code states the use of a Foreign Passport constitutes adult recognition of relinquishment of American Citizenship:
8 USC 1481
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; 8 USC 1481
Using a foreign passport in order to obtain status as a foreign student is precisely that, proof of naturalization in a foreign state.
The child Barack Obama became an Indonesian Citizen when he was adopted by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro and the family’s subsequent relocation to Indonesia. Young Barack by law needed Indonesian Citizenship in order to attend school, and his adoption provided this. Indeed, in young Barack’s situation adoption was necessary to gain it.
In his defense, Obama supporters have claimed for years if the president had lost his American Citizenship as a child, he did not in fact lose it because the actions of a parent cannot permanently remove a child’s American natural born citizenship status. This fallacious argument once had some validity within the confusing morass that is American Citizenship law, the nature of which is a challenge for immigration attorneys even today.
However, Hulton’s story and sworn affidavit would confirm that Barack Obama renounced what American citizenship status he had as an adult over the age of 18, by attending college as a foreign student using a foreign passport.
This would explain the president’s refusal to release his college records. These records will easily prove or disprove his status as a Foreign Student. This is the importance of U.S. Postal worker Allen Hulton’s testimony. Unless Obama formally renounced that foreign citizenship, there is the distinct possibility he is not an American Citizen, let alone a Natural Born Citizen.
In reality, due to his father’s British heritage, Mr. Obama was never a Natural Born Citizen to begin with, and admitted precisely this on his “Fight the Smears” website, stating that he was born under the British Nationality Act of 1948. This website “http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/” has since been removed from the live internet to re-direct to Attackwatch.com “http://www.attackwatch.com/”. Clearly Mr. Obama has relied upon confusing the American people as much as possible in order to make the truth as difficult as possible to ascertain.
Selective Service Fraud
Equally unreported by the U.S. media is that of the Selective Service Card which registered Barack Obama for the Draft in 1980. Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse released information on March 1st 2012 that this document is also “Highly Suspicious” of being a forgery, along with Mr. Obama’s “Long Form Birth Certificate” which was released by the president in the White House press room on April 27th, 2011.
One of the few media outlets reporting fully on the Cold Case Posse is the Tea Party Tribune of Arizona. On March 21st, the Tribune reported that Sheriff Arpaio has asked the Selective Service headquarters in Virginia for the original card itself in an effort to determine its authenticity within the Selective Service System. According to the Tribune, Sheriff Arpaio expressed his confidence that the agency would investigate the matter. This remains to be seen.
Has the wider American media addressed any of this in context? It may be the largest scandal in American history, certainly the most significant constitutional crisis the nation has faced since the end of the Civil War…
No.
They don’t dare.
Censorship: It is not a rumor.
Amendment I
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
The First Amendment will not prevent a few thugs funded by a private citizen or corporation from paying strategic individuals personal visits though, will it? Now we know why the remaining honest media has remained suspiciously silent.
Rumors of censorship of the American press have circulated at various times over the last several years. It seemed impossible that credible and realistic questions could exist concerning Barack Obama’s qualifications for President, yet be somehow missed by the main stream media. Indeed, the media in general is very aware of these questions, however they cannot ask them, let alone report on them. Just one example is Media Matters, funded by the George Soros Foundation, which has repeatedly and openly threated Talk Radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and his advertisers. Many have given in to the threats merely to stay in business.
In late May 2011 Dr. Jerome Corsi PhD. published “Where’s the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not E...”. At about the same time, a concerted behind the scenes effort was made to silence the press with regard to the ever increasing questions about Barack Obama’s eligibility.
A telephone interview March 22nd with Cold Case Posse Lead investigator Mike Zullo revealed the Posse had received “highly credible” information from three separate, unrelated, credible sources detailing information regarding a nationally syndicated Conservative Talk Radio show. This major very well-known host had a fill-in the day the script called for a discussion of Barack Obama’s persistent and unanswered questions regarding his citizenship status.
The executive producers of the national show, 3 hours before air time, pulled the script literally leaving the temporary host with no script whatsoever.
For a nationally syndicated show, this is absolutely unheard of, particularly with a fill-in doing the show. Programing is scheduled days in advance as hours of work and preparation often go into them; it is after all a business and one which must inform accurately. To have a script tossed just hours before airing is simply not done without explanation or substitution.
Lead Investigator Zullo revealed in this conversation that several individuals have come forth to provide testimony; the identity of these witnesses is being withheld for their protection. They identify producers, reporters, T.V. and radio personalities who have been told specifically by intimidating individuals who state clearly, they are not going to report on this story. These witnesses have been told: “If you breathe a word about it on air, we will make certain you never work in this business again,” said Investigator Zullo. Apparently those making the threats have the power to carry through on them.
Some of these witnesses have been told this along with a sinister inquiry into how a family member is doing over at XYZ (details have been changed to protect witness identity), or some other means of letting that person know the powers that be know exactly where their family members are…
There are a few however with the courage to speak out and report on this story. Talk radio show host Rodger Hedgecock recently had Sheriff Joe Arpaio on his show. “This is probably the biggest censorship blackout in the history of the United States…” said Arpaio, “Why?” he continued, “Because it has to do with the White House? The President?”.
How can the American media possibly pass on a story so huge, and so important – fraud committed by a sitting president? – Simple, it has quite simply been threatened into silence, and law enforcement is now well aware of it.
Those who are threatening the media are apparently dead serious: to the extent that no member of the media who has been threatened is willing to admit publically to it. However, there are several who have given their witness testimony, but have done so under the very strictest of confidentiality agreements. Collectively they are afraid of losing their jobs, or of their employees being further threatened.
This is no game, this is no rumor. Sheriff Arpaio and the Cold Case Posse have the information directly from witnesses who have specific knowledge of the threats, and there are a significant number of informants. Whoever is making these threats has the power to make those threats happen. It is being taken so seriously that no major media outlet has dared to break the silence.
Lead investigator Zullo, mirroring the comments of Sheriff Arpaio commented, “This is probably one of the most concerning aspects of this investigation.” When asked if this was thuggery, the reply came without hesitation, “That’s exactly what it is.”
Media moguls at the levels of a Rupert Murdoch are justifiably nervous. The implicit threat - beyond the direct threats made to their employees - involve investigations of media outlets along with their websites and their parent companies by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).
“During our investigation, we actually were told [that media] had been threatened with FTC investigations. Commentators [had been] threatened with their jobs.” Lead Investigator Zullo told Bob Unruh of World Net Daily on March 7th. These are the auspices of the federal government with the resources of a powerful nation backing them. The justifications for using such power are almost unlimited as RedState pointed out in August of 2011.
These federal agencies can yank broadcasting licenses, or take a variety of other actions which have the effect of making it impossible to do business let alone broadcast. It’s a brutal quid pro quo: don’t breathe a word on Barack Obama’s citizenship issues or constitutional qualifications for the office he has usurped, and we will let you stay in business.
To be brutally clear, the power and backing of the United States Federal Government is being used to silence the press about Barack Obama. Either outright or through coercion, the media is complicit in covering up the crimes of the fraud Barack Obama and his unconstitutional government. These patterns are clear and unmistakable.
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 6:45 am on Tue, Apr 3, 2012.
I wonder why the Obama records have not been released. They include; Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules (said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license, Adoption records and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth. An even bigger question that truly boggles the mind is why the main stream media hasn't made any comment about this secrecy and tried to force the release of all those hidden documents. What does this president have to hide?
Slabside posted at 9:17 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
Well Dale to tell you the truth, after reading some of your posts pertaining to firearms I really doubt if you would remember how to load one let alone putting rounds down range accurately.
I've bought, sold, shot, refinished, reloaded for various firearms from rimfire to magnum rifles and revolvers to muzzleloaders for the better part of 38 years. I own 3 1911s. I feel quite safe in my expertise.
Dale Whiting posted at 8:48 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
And Slabside,
Remember, when on active duty for 7 years in the Army, I shot both my M1911A1 .45 cal automatic pistol and my M16A1 rifle as "expert." I'm out of practice now, but do you want to risk loosing to me?
Dale Whiting posted at 8:46 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
Rodini,
I'm told that patience is a virtue. Thanks for the compliment. But I'm not really trying to explain anything to these Neo-cons. Rather I'm trying to insure that true conservatives like me are not lead estray by the likes of Slabside, etc.
Now for a real demonstration of patience!
'borderraven'
Interesting handle! Would you care to explain how you came to choose it?
Now I must admit that in my years of studying law and government, I have never really delved deeply into citizenship. But my cursory studies did give me an underestanding of most of what you claim, but not the last thing you claim. In fact, trying to figure it out, I got lost. Please help me understand!
You mention first three "subpathways" then mention a fourth. But first, you mentioned two pathways [i.e. naturalization or birth] and I have always understood that naturalization does not qualify one to run for President. So lets conclude that your discussion of subpathways and citizenship issues centers around birth.
We have three birth subpathways and then some "fourth." Help!
I shall assume that you have re-numbered things. First is naturalization, then come numbers two, three and four, all derived from the three subpathways of birth. How am I doing so far?
This means that the "fourth" is actually your third subpathway. How am I doing now?
Then the third subpathway, the fourth and final way to achieve citizenship, would be " a natural born citizen, born of two US Citizens." And concerning this pathway, you say "There may be doubts about the citizenship of those born in the first three subpathways, but there is little doubt about the fourth."
Clearly I have lost the way! For all but the very first group of presidents were natural born to two US Citizen parents! True, there is not doubt about this forth. Is this what you mean by "little doubt?" There is no doubt about natural birth! Help!
Allow me to now assume that you are taling about one of the natural born subpathways, but not the one of being born to two US Citizens. Since you seem disgusted with those 14th Amendment citizen by birther babies, I shall assume you do not include this as applying to our current President. Clearly he was born to a Mrs. Barack Obama, Sr. but herself was born in Kansas. So this leaves us with one or the other subpathway.
Now we focus on what you call "a dual-citizen born to one US Citizen." This one appears to apply to our current President. Am I back on track now?
Now understand that not every country recognized the concept of dual citizenship. And for what it's worth, dual citizenship include people who are born out of the territorial US but to two US citizen parents, if the country embraces dual citizenship. [And the US is one of those who do not recognize dual citizenship.] Though I am no authority on those countires who do and those who don't. But for those who do [and Mexico is one], there may come a time when the person has to elect which country shall be their citizenship country.
But 'borderraven,' assuming that Barack Obama, Jr. has dual citizenship, US and Kenyan, wouldn't he still have citizenship under the 14th amendment? After all, he was born in Hawaii. [This is why the US is not a dual citizen country. We consider all native born babies - birther babies- those born to two US Citizens in the US, those born in the US to two alien citizens who are subject to US jurisdiction - not here with diplomatic immunity- and those born here to a mixture of US and non-US parents, as citizens by natural birth.]
And by the way, did you know that John McCain was not born in the US? He was born to two US Citizens living in Panama, but in the canal zone, back then but not now a US territory [of sorts].
Looks like it's back to the drawing board for you, my friend. But still nice to make your acquaintenance. As I explained face to face to kj once, Will Rogers and I share a common characteristic. Both of us have never met a man [or woman, in case 'borderravens' are female] that we did not like. But Will and I have met people we are not wanting to become like.
borderraven posted at 6:26 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
Chasing lawyers in a PDF is like chasing rainbows in a summer rain.
Accept the April 27, 2011 birth certificate as true, and pursue Obama's British Citizen father, the all the better to you.
Barack Hussein Obama II may be native born, but he is not a natural born citizen.
There are two pathways to become a US Citizen naturalization or birth, and there are three sub-pathways of becoming a US Citizen by native birth you are either a mystical US-Citizen born to two aliens, a dual-citizen born to one US Citizen or a natural born citizen, born of two US Citizens.
There may be doubts about the citizenship of those born in the first three subpathways, but there is little doubt about the fourth.
Barack Hussein Obama II is not constitutionally eligible to be a US President, but he got into and through the 2008 election by fraud, mistake and/or gross negligence.
Remove Obama from office now! Follow Presidential Line of Succession. (3 USC 19
Slabside posted at 5:48 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
Dale, I have many extended round magazines... several for my extensive collection of firearms. All are LEGALLY purchased as well! That just slays a ProgLib like yourself I'm quite sure. Would you like to go far, far out into the desert with me for some recreational shooting?
Slabside posted at 5:44 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
Rodini, are we not friends anymore? Why, if we were not friends, I don't think I could bear it.
Don't forget Rod, you too have interjected racism into your posts when confronted with facts about your Messiah. Have a great day! [beam]
Rodini posted at 5:26 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
Dale, you continually surprise me...your patience and ability to hold your tongue after reading the lunacy from Slabmeister, Leon the Looney Tune, Accuracy, Non-Truth and ANY of the otherTea-Party fanatics who have such inflated opinions of themselves, as long as they have their guns near at hand that is! !
Your patient attempts to explain the facts and reality to them are worthy of a Nobel Prize....REALLY!
But....it's like talking to a box of rocks... you accomplish nothing !!
OIL WELL, "as they say in Texas."
[beam] A smile is worth ten thousand frowns! [sad]
zhenry posted at 5:25 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
@justice "It is truly the original because there is not, and never has been, a paper copy. The original document is purely and exactly what was on the White House website, an electronic document created by Obama. "
And your evidence is? Scans of the photocopies given to reporters at the press conference are of higher resolution than the electronic document posted online. The existence of a higher resolution copy suggests that the PDF is not the original.
In any case, Arpaio and Corsi and Zullo et al never even attempted to view the original. They never contacted the state of Hawaii. They looked at the PDF and promptly released a book for sale. You call this law enforcement?
justice2012 posted at 5:11 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
@Arizona Willie said "People claiming Obama's legitimacy has been forged are going ENTIRELY on images they got from the Internet ... NONE of these people have seen the actual documents themselves in person."
Sir, You are Wrong.
I HAVE SEEN ONE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT -- And so have thousands of others, including the Posse! Why can I say this? Because this document -- his so-called 'Long Form Birth Certificate' -- was the document placed on the White House website, under the exclusive control of Barack Obama. It was placed there for direct download by the public from the first source.
It is truly the original because there is not, and never has been, a paper copy. The original document is purely and exactly what was on the White House website, an electronic document created by Obama.
Everyone downloading this document received the very document that Obama himself posted. This was the document analyzed by the Posse. No birthers, no bloggers, no media stood between a citizen downloading this forgery and the 'President'. He offered this lie directly to the public on his personal website.
So don't tell me, or anyone, who downloaded this document that they did not have an original. We all have an original of the Obama forgery.
Dale Whiting posted at 5:01 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
Accuracy,
Go for it and see if I'm not right. Should AZ pass a law which it feels justifies taking the President of this Fall's ballot, the SCOTUS will end up awarding to the President all of its electoral college votes.
Slabside,
I'm not Arizona Willie. From time to time I critisize him [or her. Willie's using a handle is abhorant to me!]
And just how many extended round magazines have you accumulated now? Remember, no well regulated militia uses them!
zhenry posted at 4:58 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
"The five investigators discovered probable cause exists regarding the crimes of forgery and fraud regarding Mr. Obama’s selective service registration form and his long-form birth certificate."
How can you find probable cause for a forged birth certificate if you haven't actually inspected the document? Arpaio's posse looked at the online PDF, but never even asked to view the original.
Also, if there indeed was probable cause of a crime found, why has the investigative team released a book for sale before bringing any charges against anyone? This is against just about any law enforcement protocol and brings some questions about the seriousness of the "investigation".
Slabside posted at 4:19 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
@ Arizona Willie aka Dale Whiting, "It never seems to sink through their thick right wing skulls that if the Republican party could have come up with this evidence to prevent the Ebony President they would have."
Wow, we now award Arizona Willie aka Dale Whiting, a second "Progressive Liberal Racist Jacka_s_s Award" for interjecting racism when he has no valid argument.
Slabside posted at 2:17 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
@ Dale, " Looks like the editors have withdrawn violet's comment. Wonder what it said?"
Dale, violet's comments were of the typical progressive liberal manure that is spewed when they have no intelligent arguement to make. You know the type, it is same caliber as posted by the three biggest lib racists here at EVT:
Dale Whiting posted at 7:36 am on Mon, Sep 5, 2011.
We Whites do have own support groups. Ever heard of the KKK? And when was the last time you saw a picture of a Tea Party ralley with a minority pictured in it?
Cerulean posted at 8:09 am on Fri, Nov 4, 2011.
The closest thing to a minority I ever saw at a Know-Nothing tea party rally was a sign that made a references to "niggar" or "imam" etc. etc. etc. .
Arizona Willie posted at 8:39 am on Mon, Mar 26, 2012.
The Republicans are taking the Health Care law which they mislabel " Obamacare " to the Supreme Court claiming the government can't force people to buy insurance.
Hmmm, I wonder why they didn't do that when Romneycare passed?
Oh .... yeah .... the new Health Care Law which they mislabel " Obamacare " and which was passed by Congress which is full of Republicans ... is associated with that Ebony mo-fo.
Arizona Willie posted at 12:51 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
People claiming Obama's legitimacy has been forged are going ENTIRELY on images they got from the Internet that have been scanned and then massaged by anti-Obama fanatics.
NONE of these people have seen the actual documents themselves in person.
It never seems to sink through their thick right wing skulls that if the Republican party could have come up with this evidence to prevent the Ebony President they would have.
The Republican Party spent gazillions of dollars trying to defeat him and would be willing to pay millions to anyone who could produce LEGITIMATE proof of Obama's ineligibility.
Yet they believe the nut jobs who themselves forge the pictures of documents that they themselves have never seen the originals.
The people claiming illigitimacy and producing these " documents " are the same as the guy Breitbart ( sp ) who spliced together pieces of videos to make people appear to be saying things they didn't really say in order to smear Democrats and Liberals.
They think lying to achieve their ends is legitimate.
Says everything you need to know about them.
Accuracy posted at 12:29 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
Brian Reilly, from Sun City West, wrote: “I am with the Surprise Tea Party and I developed the plan to approach Sheriff Arpaio to request an investigation into the authenticity of the Obama certificate of live birth.”
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio launched the investigation in October 2011 after he was presented with the petition signed by 250 members of the Surprise Tea Party in Surprise, Arizona. Sheriff Joe authorized a volunteer Cold Case Posse of former law enforcement officers and detectives to examine the authenticity of Barack Hussein Obama’s long-form birth certificate and to determine Obama’s eligibility to be president under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.
Sheriff Joe, and Cold Case Posse’s lead investigator Mike Zullo, are doing more to help correct the course of the nation than all the Republicans in Washington DC combined.
The Hawaii Department of Health has insisted Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii, and Gov. Jan Brewer is going along with that insistence. Even though evidence has mounted that Barack Hussein Obama's long-form birth certificate, the White House released last year, is a computer-generated forgery.
The investigation into Barack Hussein Obama’s computer-generated fraudulent Certificate of Live Birth and forged identity records could lead to Obama being taken off ballots. After months of searching, the investigators also found Immigration and Naturalization Service travel records for foreign flights into Hawaii in 1961, and discovered that records for the week of Obama’s birth were missing.
Dale Whiting posted at 12:00 pm on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
Brian,
How's the tea in Sun City West these days? You need to be brewing your tea in Honolulu.
Dale Whiting posted at 11:58 am on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
Hmm, let's see now!
This letter gets posted at 9:28 a.m. and somehow updated at 7:21 a.m. and apparently someone whos handle is 'shrinking violet' says something that perks the ire of 'Slabside' and 'Trust' but it's not posted at 11:35 when I begin reading. Looks like the editors have withdrawn violet's comment. Wonder what it said?
Let's see. We have a very sincere letter to the editor written by Brian Reilly, a Tea Party 'birther' asserting that 1) Barack Obama's selective service registration - but no specifics are stated and that 2) Barack Obama's long form birth certificate is faked - but again nothing specific is stated.
As to the selective service registration, there is not dispute that he was raised by his grandparents in Hawaii during that period of time, attended college first in California, then in New York. So what possible irregularity over the registration would matter? Nothing!
And I have seen that copy of his long form and understand what some of the claims about it are. I saw for myself what some claim to constitute irregularities. And those irregularities were spotted and understood by me when I first saw it. When copying something from a bound book on the flat surface of a copy machine, I've made those same irregularities myself!
BUT here's the long and short of it, guys.
The issue here is whether or not Barack Obama was qualified to run for President. Yet these claims are being brought too late and before the wrong forum. Those who bring claims too late and before the wrong forum are idiots, here Tea Party idiots. The time to bring the claim is before the November 2008 election and the place would be Hawaii.
Now some think that these claims can be brought again. Their theory seems to mirror the old saying "Fool me once, shame on you. But fool me twice, shame on me [or W]." Perhaps it is not too late to bring claims for 2012. But the forum is still wrong. And where these idiots sense that bringing claims in Hawaii against their Favorite Son would be futile, so bringing them in Arizona by denying the President a spot on the 2012 ballot makes more sense, know this.
Bush v Gore was brought in Florida and was decided by the SCOTUS in D.C. But there the issue was counting ballots in Florida. Here the issue remains in Hawaii. Deny President Obama a spot on the 2012 balott and you risk having the SCOTUS in D.C. award all of Arizona's electoral college votes to the President. And where he's not likely to not have gotten many from the ballot box when his name is on the ballot, challenging his citizenship in Arizona can give him more than otherwise he'd have gotten.
So go for it Tea Party/Sheriff Arpaio! Go for it! Make the President's day!
TeaPartyPatriot posted at 11:27 am on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
shrinking whatever is most likely more of a racist than anyone she claims is a racist. The trib shouldn't be allowing these racist name calling in their comments.
In_God_We_Trust posted at 11:05 am on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
shrinkingviolet,
Please keep your racist name calling out of this honest dialog about Mao-bama's legitimacy. Not everyone who disagrees with you is KKK, Nazi, or White Supremacists. Calling people these names is typical lefty race card throwing nonsense that is only useful to distract from the facts.
Slabside posted at 10:58 am on Mon, Apr 2, 2012.
DING DING DING! And we have a winner of the "Liberal Jacka_s_s Racist Award"! Today's award goes to shrinkingviolet for interjecting racism when he has no valid argument to make. Congratulations you Liberal idiot.