“‘You get to ask the questions you want. I get to give the answers I want.’ That quote could have come from the current U.S. President, not a GOP candidate attempting to be open.”
“As my teenage daughter observed, what happened at the Mesa Arts Center last night was not a ‘debate’ — a thoughtful, civil exchange of opposing ideas. It was more like ‘Midnight at the Apollo.’ I agree!”
“If the uniformed voters of Arizona want to know what kind of president Mitt Romney would be, just look at the past history of Brigham Young, the ‘mountain meadow massacre,’ and how they amass their fortunes. Their history of murder, mutilation and dishonesty tells you much of why Romney is worth $192 million, (but only one wife that we know about). Where is FDR or Harry Truman when we really need them!”
So, the venter who was asked to provide specific proof for the charge that President Obama violates Americans’ constitutional rights takes the stance that ‘if you don’t know, then I won’t tell you’? Oh, PLEASE — educate us! Ad hominem attacks are so unbecoming of you — especially in such an anonymous forum as this is!”
“When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in Afghanistan, don’t burn the Quran, unless of course you’re on the way out! Stupid is as stupid does. Let’s put Forrest Gump in charge! He ain’t that dumb!”
“Arizona has enough crazies carrying guns without allowing students the freedom to carry guns on campus. These guns will not stay on campus; they will also end up in bars and off campus. We all know guns and booze don’t mix. Many parents will not allow their loved ones to attend colleges that allow guns. There will be many lawsuits if a student is killed. In the end, Arizona will lose. Is it really worth it?”
“Democrat billionaire investor Warren Buffett called for President Obama to get those with incomes of $1 million or more a year to pay more taxes. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie then said: ‘He should just write a check and shut up.’”
“Here we go again, Iran sending gas prices through the roof. It is not Iran it is the oil companies, the greed of the oil market, any excuse to control the world and put huge profits in their owner pockets. There is no oil shortage. The only way to stop this is to break up the powerful oil companies or replace the need of oil for transportation. One substitute would be geothermal hydrogen. The oil companies will destroy the world economy if we continue to allow them to control our economy.”
“I just read last week that General Motors is once again the world’s largest auto maker and GM recorded its best profit ever. As an American, I am proud of that. It is too bad that kind of pride in the USA is not more evident. Go USA!”
“It’s a miracle that any of the school budget even gets to the students. What with the teachers’ unions taking away a huge amount for their ‘caviar’ pensions and ‘Cadillac’ health care benefits. The school district ‘big-shots’ siphon off $100,000-$200,000 a year with ‘golden parachute’ retirements. The illegal alien (mostly from Mexico) students costing $7,670 per school year (grades 1-12 = $92,040 per student). Little Johnny and Little Jill are lucky to get a new box of crayons out of all the liberal/progressive/Democrat giveaways.”
“Our counterproductive drug prohibition policies give marijuana users, sellers and distributors no legal recourse to settle their disputes with each other — so they resort to violence, just like alcohol users, sellers and distributors did when alcohol was illegal.”
chatmandu002 posted at 2:23 pm on Sun, Feb 26, 2012.
Vent #1: Your opinion not mine. I like it when the candidates give it back to the moderators.
Vent #2: To many debates.
Vent #3: What a vile and disgusting vent. You have some mental health problems.
Vent #4: "Obama violates constitutional rights" Well how about Obamacare, or how about suing states for not giving illegals welfare, how about illegal appointments.
Vent #5: Get you facts straight, the Korans where being used to send messages between the prisoners. The prisoners desecrated the Koran by writing in them.
Vent #6: Let them have guns so they can defend themselves from the crazies.
Vent #7: Obama say to Warren. "Just give me all your money and we'll call it even"
Vent #8: Gotta blame everything on someone or something else don't you? If you don't like the price of gas don't buy it. Ride a bike or electric car.
Vent #9: Your wrong!! It's Government Motors now.
Vent #10: Reform the educator pension system at all levels of education. Get the federal government out of the education business. Stop teaching the children of illegal immigrants. Stop providing incentives for them being here illegally.
Vent #11: Is there a real advantage to legalizing all drugs other than to stop the so-called war on drug? Why do people think that legalizing the use of drugs would stop anything. The cost of fighting the war on drugs would be offset by the medical care of drug users. Wouldn't the drug users still need to rob, steal, murder to get the money for their drugs. Heck I would rather legalize prostitution. Hey now that sounds like a winner. LOL
truth posted at 2:36 pm on Sun, Feb 26, 2012.
When it comes to education the U.S. comes in 20th in the world. chatmandoodoo, all mouth, enguage brain before mouth. where are your facts, none.[beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam][beam]
chatmandu002 posted at 3:25 pm on Sun, Feb 26, 2012.
truthless,
What facts do you want??? I'm sure I can prove that our education system is much worse than 20th because of the heavy hand of our federal government. After 40+ years our federal government has proven it can't teach our children at any cost. Eliminate the department of education and return authority to the states and local boards.
truth posted at 3:49 pm on Sun, Feb 26, 2012.
chatmandoodoo. I don't debate with morons but tell me how stupid it was for us to burn the koran and not keep it a secret and how this stupidity was worth 4 U.S. lives?[sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad][sad]
Dale Whiting posted at 8:12 am on Mon, Feb 27, 2012.
'chatmandu002'
Allow me to shed some light on this matter, light you cleary cannot see!
Venter# 5 does have the facts straight. In Rome Romans follow their own rules. Care to join me in finding out what those rules are with respect to dealing with Kurans which have been desecrated? I'm not sure what constitutes 'desecration?" Are you? But remember your and my standards are not Roman standards! They are the standards of infidels, infidels who were too proud to submit to local Roman customs!
Chances are burning desecrated Kurans is not in those rules. Where so, I'd still recommend shipping them outside Rome before striking the match. And where not, where there is some other appropriate action, wouldn't it have been best to have the locals handle this, our problem? In hind sight, clearly it was!
Now after going on ten years of our involvement, we being the foreigners in a foreign land, one which we do not particulary care about, at least not sufficiently well to have learned and followed local customs, it appears clear. We messed up big time and now we need to leave! As Forest observed, "Stupid is as stupid does." Failing to find out first what to do, we were the stupid ones.
Regretably now our "hosts" are demanding that we turn over to them an investigation to discover who planned, consented to, ordered, and carried out this act of apparent desecration! And an old American axium probably applies. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." Karzai understands that we thought that what we were doing was right and but still demands that we submit to an investigation. After all, covering up for our own indiscretions is an American trait!
Thanks to our own stupidity, our failing to submit to Karzai leaves us with only one option. Get out now! Good bye Afghanistan. It might have been good to have gotten to know you better. You have natural resources which the Chinese are ready to step in to exploit. But we were too busy occupying you to listen. And where much of the world's crude oil supplies lay under Middle Eastern soils, our problems with crude oil supplies have just begun!
This is the biggest and perhaps most inadvertant foreign policy blunder the US has made in more than 50 years, one which we have yet to appreciate! Three out of four of our ignorant Republican candidates would act to make it even worse. On the one hand we have the McCainites, "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" and the "never appoligize for nutin' Sandorums, Romneys and Gingriches.
On the other hand we have a President who ought to have known better, but so far [and not unlike you] has not yet seen the light. It's get out now and hope things don't get worse, or turn over to Karzai the investigation and hope for the best. Chances are the rules require some severe, even captial punishment. So one way or the other, it's "Pay me now or pay me later."
Dale Whiting posted at 9:47 am on Mon, Feb 27, 2012.
Well 'chatmandu002'
After some preliminary research, it would appear that writing in the Koran is a form of desecration. And those in the US military ought to have known better than to allow this incident to become problematic. In prior years there have been demonstrations [at least two] in Afghanistan, whipped up by Taliban, over reports of desecration by writing in, burning and through other methods in the US and Guantanimo, and at least one other in Afghanistan, mostly by US military forces or "detainees." So what's new with this one? The volume, tis poor timing and the failure to conduct this under proper authority.
Intersestingly, in Saudi Arabia, pilgrims to Mecca arriving with copies not printed in Saudi Arabia have their Korans seized, shreded and burnt. By far, the Saudis are the largest known Koran destroyers. However, they do provide free replacements! And this act in conjunction with pilgramage is not considered desecration in Saudi Arabia. But then Saudis are Wahaabists, the strictest form of Sunnism. What methods are open to appropriately dispose of a Kuran? They can be burnt or even appropriately burried under appropriate religious authority.
So where the US was in possession of desecrated Korans, following Saudi Arabia's lead, US forces might have been justified in shreding, then burning its stash. But in doing so, it became 'open' for more protests. Rather than taking the lead on this matter, US forces should have retained local Muslim clerics who would have authoritatively overseen a proper investigation and disposition. But being considered 'infidels" it would never be appropriate for US forces to undertake this themselves!
I still favor bowing to the request of Mohammud Karzai by having a joint investigation, clerics together with chaplins, to look into and correct this unfortunate mishap. Repentance is both a Muslim and a Christian virtue!
And President Obama's appology was a way to begin this inquiry!
Dale Whiting posted at 9:50 am on Mon, Feb 27, 2012.
'truth'
This is not a debate! Morons are those who without looking into the facts, including the facts of local religious customs, allow behavior which angers locals to the point where lives are taken. This discussion is undertaken not to justify anyone's actions. Rather it's undertaken to help morons come to understand the consquences of acting in ignorance. And we Americans are morons!
chatmandu002 posted at 10:45 am on Mon, Feb 27, 2012.
Dale, truthless,
Americans are not the morons in this situation. The morons are those that blindly follow the heretic leaders of a flawed religion. The information I found stated that the Korans had been desecrated by the inmates and that the local imam had OK'd the destruction. The Korans where part of other trash being burned by the troops. I'm sure the local Taliban sympathizers found out and started the riots.
Dale Whiting posted at 2:26 pm on Mon, Feb 27, 2012.
'chatmandu00s'
Care to share with us your sources? Mine were several articles in Wikipedia and the references therein to back up newpaper stories printed contemporantously to those prior incidents which I mentioned.
If the local Imam did OK this, then Karzai needs to hear from him. And from what I saw on TV, the pages were not completely burned, nor pre-shreded as the Saudis apparently do. So the local Imam may be incompetent or he failed to issue thorough orders and recommendations and did not supervise. My reading suggests he had to do that supervision.
Regardless, it would appear that if your sources are correct, we have nothing to fear from issuing that appology and then undertaking Karzai's investigation. That we haven't suggests a cover up. That the appology did not mention the Iman's involvment is curious. Things do not add up, do they!
Dale Whiting posted at 2:28 pm on Mon, Feb 27, 2012.
P.S.
If you don't care for Romans, then leave Rome, Stupid! Karzai has called for an investigation. We either do it or we leave!
Masterrogue666 posted at 9:13 pm on Mon, Feb 27, 2012.
Third Venter: I'm not a Mormon, but you are a MORON! Shall I go into all the things that the Catholic Church has done? I can't say that I've studied the history of all religions, but I'm quite sure that most would have a poor track record. Why? Because man/woman run the church, and they are flawed. Human nature, absolute power corrupts absolutely, et al.
Don't try to limit to one religion, for you show your own ignorance.....
Dale Whiting posted at 4:57 pm on Tue, Feb 28, 2012.
The administration now represents that an investigation has been launched. I'll believe that when we see its results. And in today's AZ Rep, Steve Benson does another great political cartoon. It's Uncle Sam appologizing for those who claim the President's appology was uncalled for!
Steve does it again. After that sacreligious nut case in Florida announced his intention to burn Korans, Steve showed a drawing of that wiskered minister with a lite match in hand, lite but just blown out by the person standing beside him, Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace!