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Engaged Voter posted at 11:05 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.
Willie, I agree with your initial assessment for the invention of gods for control, and as a survival mechanism.
My favorite analogy for religion is the large old tree in your front yard that has died. For years it provided shade for your family and shelter for all sorts of critters...but now it has become a liability and must be removed so that something better has a chance to take its place. Actually the analogy isn't that great, since the poor tree never persecuted innocent people for their personal beliefs like religion does...but I disgress.
"They are not so hung up on sex that they have to cover their bodies at almost all times."
Dolphins are the only known non-primate that mates out of season for purely recreational/pleasure purposes. They are also 100% non homophobic.
"Or maybe the dolphins keep changing their language like a rotating code system because they don't WANT to talk to us. "
To that I say...
"So long, and thanks for all the fish" (bonus if you knew this quote already!)
Arizona Willie posted at 9:04 am on Wed, Aug 1, 2012.
Engaged Voter ... it is my belief that if someone hadn't invented the concept of a " god " who cared how we behaved, mankind would never have survived.
We would have killed each other off before we got out of the cave man stage.
Was it a " perfect " device?
No.
But without < some > controlling mechanism dolphins might be the most intelligent species left on earth in the year 2012 ( or whatever year this would be if years weren't counted from the birth of a religious figure ).
In fact, they may still be. As far as we know, they don't wage war against each other. They don't spend their lives acquiring homes and gold.
They are not so hung up on sex that they have to cover their bodies at almost all times.
If reincarnation were to turn out to be real --- it might not be a bad deal to come back as a dolphin.
Then again, mankind thinks we are so smart but we haven't been able to figure out a way to communicate with another intelligent species on our own planet.
Or maybe the dolphins keep changing their language like a rotating code system because they don't WANT to talk to us.
[smile]
Engaged Voter posted at 3:51 pm on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
"Otherwise the strongest would still be going around taking any woman they wanted and killing anyone they wanted. "
Like they do in almost every theocratic nation on Earth currently?
Yeah, that doesn't seem to be working very well.
"Even today we have people who refuse to follow the laws of society and they beat their wives, and rob and rape and murder. We call them criminals."
More often then not, I call them religious zealots. Their belief in a god does NOTHING to deter them from these immoral actions...in fact, in many cases their religion ENCOURAGES this vile, immoral behavior...ever heard of an "honor killing"?
"Some caveman was pretty smart and came up with the concept of a god and convinced the brutes he lived among that if they didn't behave that god would get them. "
Or, as Mark Twain once said, "Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool."
I understand your premise, and agree to a point...but religion as a control mechanism has, in my humble opinion, failed miserably.
Arizona Willie posted at 1:51 pm on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
Engaged Voter ... you said == Quoting me == ' "I do think it was a great thing that someone came up with the idea of " God " because I don't know how mankind would have made it out of the caveman age if there had been nothing to control their behavior but brute force."
Willie, humans had rules and laws long before Christianity was ever invented.
Do yourself a favor and research the Codex of Hammurabi.
Nice rules and morals (for the time), no fearmongering god to hide from.
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I didn't say it was a good thing someone invented Christianity ... I said it was a good thing they invented the idea of " God ".
The first gods were the sun and trees.
The idea was that someone invented gods and used that concept to control other people.
Otherwise the strongest would still be going around taking any woman they wanted and killing anyone they wanted.
Religions ( the concept of gods and the need to please them / him / it ) have ALWAYS been used as a control mechanism.
Mankind is the most savage killer of all time.
I agree that secular humanism arrives at the same concepts as religions - but it took a long time for mankind to develop the logic systems to reason their way to secular humanism.
Even today we have people who refuse to follow the laws of society and they beat their wives, and rob and rape and murder. We call them criminals.
Imagine if EVERYONE did that. If there was no controlling concept of laws and everyone behaved like the most sociopathic people we have in prison.
Some caveman was pretty smart and came up with the concept of a god and convinced the brutes he lived among that if they didn't behave that god would get them.
The whole idea behind all religions. Behave or else " god " will get you.
And, of course, there was always a priest / shaman / holyman to tell everybody what " god " wanted and how to behave.
This was thousands of years before Hammurabi when our ancestors climbed out of the trees and began living on the ground and evolving into --- us.
Engaged Voter posted at 10:03 am on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
"Willie, you are wrong about all churches being scams. Until you've been to every church, you cannot truly know that."
So Willie cannot make a claim, even though he has EVIDENCE for it, he has to meet YOUR standards of evidenc (visiting every single church).
But YOU can make claim after claim with absolutely NO evidence to support them (I know __fill in the god blank__ is real). And you wonder why some people think you are insane? LOL
Engaged Voter posted at 10:01 am on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
"Engaged Voter, you have repeatedly asked me to prove that God is real"
Liar. I have done no such thing.
I have repeatedly asked you to back the claims YOU make on this forum.
If you don't want to support your claims,. STOP MAKING THEM.
"It's a no-brainer!"
LOL!!! You said it, not me. ;)
You should probably do an internet search on your idiotic fallacies before posting them here...it makes you look even MORE slimy and dishonest when you steal other people's words and try to pass them off as your own. Those examples of yours? Dishonest religious apologists have been using them for years, and they've been debunked for an equal amount of time.
"it is a fact that God lives, and it is a fact that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
There you go...YOU made the claims. Now, support them with evidence or stand revealed, once again, as a cowardly two-faced lying weasel. The choice is yours.
"When it comes to impersonations, all I can do is Gollum."
Yes, and you've been doing a great job...but can you stop it and start acting like someone with at least a high school education? This is getting tedious!
mrconservative posted at 11:23 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
Sure, I pray in church. I also pray in secret as well. I know from personal experience that prayers are always answered, though not always in the way we expect.
Willie, you are wrong about all churches being scams. Until you've been to every church, you cannot truly know that.
Engaged Voter, you have repeatedly asked me to prove that God is real, and you claim that I have not provided enough evidence. Well, the fact is that I don't need to prove it. It's a no-brainer!
Have you ever heard of the French word "duhab"?
It's an acronym for "Do you have a brain?"
Just because very few people have seen God (in the flesh) does not mean he is not real. Tell me, EV, have you ever seen or heard or touched or smelled or tasted your own brain? No? But does that mean that you don't have a brain, just because you haven't seen it?
I have never been outside the US, except for a few hours back in '99 when I went to Niagra Falls with my family. Other than that, I have never set foot outside the US, so that means that I have never seen countries like Italy, France, Spain or Germany. But does that mean that they don't exist? Of course not. You'd laugh in my face if I claimed they weren't real, just because I haven't seen them.
It's like I've said - the FACT that God is real is a no-brainer. I'd like to see you try to prove that God is not real. You keep telling me to prove that he's real. Well, now it's your turn. Prove that he's not real.
You also keep saying that knowledge requires facts. Well, it is a fact that God lives, and it is a fact that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Even a few atheists acknowledge that Jesus really lived. I can't recall their names, and I don't have the actual souce on me that can clarify this, but it is true.
Okay, I have to confess something - that word "duhab" is not really a word, not even in French. I got that idea from someone else. Ever heard of John Bytheway? He's a popular speaker and author, and that is really his last name. Kinda funny isn't it? And he has a unique ability - he does a great impersonation of Barney Fife - aka, Don Knotts. Not only that, he can do a pretty decent impression of George McFly as well.
When it comes to impersonations, all I can do is Gollum. It's not nearly as good as Andy Serkis, but I think it's still pretty good. And no, I can't do Smeagol too well, just Gollum. It's not that much to be proud of, considering Gollum's character, but it's the only person I can do.
God bless America! And may the United States of America get the most gold medals in this year's Olympics!
Engaged Voter posted at 2:11 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
"I do think it was a great thing that someone came up with the idea of " God " because I don't know how mankind would have made it out of the caveman age if there had been nothing to control their behavior but brute force."
Willie, humans had rules and laws long before Christianity was ever invented.
Do yourself a favor and research the Codex of Hammurabi.
Nice rules and morals (for the time), no fearmongering god to hide from.
Engaged Voter posted at 2:07 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
Willie, your definition of Agnostic would seem to indicate that EVERYONE (with the exception of those nutjobs that claim to "know" their god(s) exist) is agnostic.
I wasn't asking about your claims of knowledge; I was asking about your belief in one or more gods, or your lack thereof.
You're agnostic (as opposed to gnostic)...I get that. So am I.
But, are you an atheist or a theist? (HINT: To the question "do you believe in one or more gods", if the answer is Yes, you are a theist. ANY OTHER ANSWER including "I don't know" and you are an atheist)
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"Ungodliness is all around, seeking to destroy the things of God."
Yes, we've destroyed "godly" things like slavery, selling children, treating women like property, and stoning innocents for the crimes of others.
Accuracy, you said "Instead of being governed by fear," - then went on to quote Scripture. Allow me to educate you about the FEAR in Scripture:
Genesis 42:18 And Joseph said unto them the third day, This do, and live; [for] I fear God:
Exodus 18:21 Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness
Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
Psalm 66:16 Come [and] hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what he hath done for my soul.
Ecclesiastes 8:21 Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his [days] be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
I could go on...the words "God" and "fear" appear together OVER ONE HUNDRED TIMES in the KJV. Your god is one of fear. Sorry about that.
Arizona Willie posted at 11:52 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
Engaged Voter you asked ' Hey Willie - you said "color me agnostic". Most people are agnostic (as opposed to Gnostic), but are you an atheist or a theist?
Below is the definition of agnostic from the online Merriam - Webster dictionary.
It seems a true agnostic simply says that he sees no evidence either for or against the existence of " God ". I agree with that -- although I do lean more towards the atheist side of the question.
So I am probably not a true agnostic. :(
It varies from day to day I suppose.
I do think it was a great thing that someone came up with the idea of " God " because I don't know how mankind would have made it out of the caveman age if there had been nothing to control their behavior but brute force.
Can you picture a civilization where it was survival of the fittest and there were no rules. Take what you want and defend it.
Definition of AGNOSTIC
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: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
Accuracy posted at 11:21 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
Vent #6 wrote: “…I am tired of these zealots be they Christian religions or Muslim sects telling people how to live,”
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Ungodliness is all around, seeking to destroy the things of God. But in America there are things we can do to make a difference in trying to pull everybody together – all faiths, all denominations.
Influence people for godliness? Whether you believe in God or don't believe, we (Americans) need to look out for each other.
Instead of being governed by fear, remember that God is with you. His Spirit can give you the words to say (Mark 13:11).
Engaged Voter posted at 10:25 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
"For a guy who doesn't believe the Bible is scripture, you sure do quote it a lot."
I too find it strange that, by and large, atheists and nonreligious people know the Bible better than most Christians do. Many say that is WHY they became atheists.
I've proven several times on these forums I know it better than you, mrconservative.
Still praying out loud in church, are we? :(
Hey Willie - you said "color me agnostic". Most people are agnostic (as opposed to Gnostic), but are you an atheist or a theist?
Arizona Willie posted at 9:12 am on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
Naww, Leon ... ALL religions are scams ... I'm an equal opportunity scorner.
Leon Ceniceros posted at 4:40 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.
Oh...Oh.....good thing we aren't members of the European Union or in France.....I smell a whiff of.............."anti-semitism".........[wink]
Arizona Willie posted at 7:36 am on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.
They claim he did as a child, but when he began pointing out their logical fallacies and then drove the money changers and scribes out of the temple he probably was no longer welcome.
It was the Jews who demanded his execution. Probably the Rabbi's because common people wouldn't have likely had enough political power to get it done. Pilate wanted nothing to do with it because he considered Jesus to be an innocent man.
Jesus was a large threat to the Rabbi's and their established scam .... errr ... operations.
Bingo6 posted at 3:39 am on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.
Didn't Jesus a Rabbi go to Synagogue?
chatmandu002 posted at 11:09 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.
Vent #1: I am against boycotts.
Vent #2: I agree that GLBT groups do seem a bit vengeful.
Vent #3: SRP is better than APS.
Vent #4: It's better that the police profit from crime than the criminals.
Vent #5: You are free not to believe but why must you denigrate those that do?
Vent #6: So true.
Vent #7: Doesn't matter what Mitt Romney says the liberal media will misconstrued it.
Arizona Willie posted at 10:18 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.
mrconservative, that Bible passage does say to pray in secret.
Going to church is praying in public.
Unless they have come up with some newfangled church services where people don't pray.
In fact, neither one of those passages mentions preaching.
They both talk about praying in public.
If simply praying in public would be that poorly regarded by God, I imagine preaching would really p*ss him off.
Since church services are public ... that would seem to put all preachers in a bad spot.
As well as all the people attending and praying.
When followed to their logical conclusion, it would indeed seem to be an indictment of all organized religion, because they all tell their members to do exactly what these scriptures say NOT to do.
Color me agnostic.
mrconservative posted at 4:46 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.
For a guy who doesn't believe the Bible is scripture, you sure do quote it a lot.
Christ does not say not to attend church at all. I don't know where you got THAT idea. He just says it's hypocritical for people to stand around pretending to preach, when they really don't belive what they say . . . . like you.
Engaged Voter posted at 4:09 pm on Fri, Jul 27, 2012.
"if you look at the Bible or the Koran they don’t say which church, synagogue or mosque to attend"
Actually, the Bible does say which church/synagogue to attend:
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the churches and synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
(in case you didn't figure it out, Jesus said to NOT attend church AT ALL)