“Steve Nash, don’t leave Phoenix! Please! New York is not a tax-friendly state and Toronto isn’t even in the United States! Yeah, I know you’re originally Canadian, but we can’t afford to lose you! Please stay with the Suns!”
“The reduced air tanker fleet for fighting wildfires is Obama’s Katrina. Huge fires in Colorado, hundreds of homes destroyed and they are without enough air tanker capacity to do anything but watch.”
“The Democrats that walked out on the Holder contempt vote reminded me of the little brat who would take his ball and storm home if he didn’t get a hit.”
“The only mistake Jan Brewer made when she shook her finger at Obama was . . . using the wrong finger!”
chatmandu002 posted at 9:35 am on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
Vent #1: Steve Nash has had his day and is on the twilight of his career. Good luck Steve.
Vent #2: It's not Obama's fault that there are not enough air tankers to fight these fires. I'm sure if you ask Obama he would blame it on George Bush.
Vent #3: The democrats that walked out of the Holder contempt vote reminded me of the "flee-baggers" that walked out in Wisconsin. Abdication of their responsibility for which they were elected.
Vent #4: I would have warned Jan that shaking a finger in the face of the "King" isn't wise.
truth posted at 3:15 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
It is absolutly amazing how much chatmandu002 has to say and not have one thing to say, their. chatmandu002 must be Mitt Romleys speech writer he also says a lot and never says anything, like what he is going to do, and how he is going to do it. We all know Romney is great at creating jobs, just not in the U.S.
Chinese authorities this week deemed it illegal for foreign embassies to publicly put out THEIR own readings on China's air pollution.
Consider the bizarre ban Michigan legislators inposed on state Rep. Lisa Brown after she dared to use the word "v****a" in a debate over highly restrictive anti-abortion bill - a bill that would close most of the states abortion clinics and force women to carry horribly disformed fetus to term. Brown told the male Republicans pushing the bill, "I'm flatered that you're all so interested in my v****a, but 'no' means 'no'." The Nation.com
truth posted at 3:25 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
I see Republicans are now three times LOSERS, After the Republicans voted to find Eric Holder in contempt of congress, they are going to take no action, sounds just like a Republican all talk no action.
Masterrogue666 posted at 7:08 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
I'm glad Steve's leaving. He is NOT a CITIZEN of the USA, so should keep his opinion about changes in our government's policy(s) to himself! He was lucky enough to get to work here. Go home, and take your opinions with you!
mrconservative posted at 8:43 pm on Sun, Jul 1, 2012.
chatmandu, I don't agree 100% with your comment on the first vent. I am not only a Suns fan, but I am probably the biggest Suns fan in the county, if not the state. Steve Nash is the very heart of the Suns team, and if he left, it would leave a gaping hole in their organization. I have a Steve Nash T-shirt, and I would probably never wear it agian if Nash left. We truly cannot afford to lose him. I'd rather see him retire than him go to another team.
Masterrogue, you really ned to change the number on your username. That is an evil number.
Truth, not only are the Republicans going to take action, but they will also file criminal charges on him. He is a criminal, and should be treated as one.
chatmandu002 posted at 9:29 am on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
turth(less)
Sorry my words and comments are not up to your expectation. But disappointing you makes me happy. Too bad your words don't have any ring of truth, instead they smell of liberal/progressive coolaide.
Arizona Willie posted at 9:35 am on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Steve Nash, please leave.
I'm sick of those insipid commercials.
I could care less about basketball anyway, and I suspect you are near the end of your career too.
On behalf of basketball fans ... ' thanks for the memories ' ... ' adios amigo '.
mrconservative posted at 12:49 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Willie, SHUT THE HELL UP. Basketball is my favorite sport. Steve Nash is one of my favorite players. If you don't like those commercials, then turn off your radio. We need Steve Nash far more than we need you.
Engaged Voter posted at 2:51 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
mrconservative - so Freedom of Speech only applies when YOU agree with it?
Grow up or get lost.
Engaged Voter posted at 2:52 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Oops! Poor mrconservative forgot to use the H-E-double hockey sticks.
Someone is going DOWN. LOL
Engaged Voter posted at 2:54 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Oh, and mrconservative? Numbers are numbers....they are not "good" or "evil", they are just numbers.
Only superstitious cretins think otherwise.
mrconservative posted at 10:32 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
"Oh, and mrconservative? Numbers are numbers....they are not "good" or "evil", they are just numbers."
What the heck does this mean?
mrconservative posted at 10:37 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
Never mind. I look at my previous comment, which I had forgotten about. But you are wrong. The Bible talks about that number, saying it is associated with Satan. Whether it is or not, I'd prefer not to take any chances. I'd prefer the number 13 over it, and I used to be pretty superstious about the number 13. Read: I used to be.
What do you know about Freedom of Speech? I'll bet that if you had your way, all conservative talk show hostrs would be silenced. I believe in freedom, unlike you.
(Including the freedom of not being forced to buy something I don't want.)
mrconservative posted at 10:58 pm on Mon, Jul 2, 2012.
[offtopic]
Homosexualality is an evil abomination. It is condemmed in the Bible.
Don't believe me? Look it up.
Exodus 18: 20
Leviticus 18: 22
Romans 1: 27
(I had to put this comment here; putting it in where the topic is talked about would have resulted in zero comments, since it was from April)
Engaged Voter posted at 10:54 am on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
Mrconservative, thank you for showing us all how religion rots the brain.
The Bible also says the earth is flat, rests on pillars, and doesn't move.
It also says an army of zombies walked around Jerusalem.
I'd quote the verses, but I'm sure you already know them, and have convenient excuses for their absurdity. Your ilk usually does.
"You can tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created everything, and many of them will believe you. But tell these same people that the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to make sure." - George Carlin
Engaged Voter posted at 11:02 am on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
Oh, and mrconservative? Eating shellfish is also condemned in the Bible.
Leviticus 11:12 Protest at your local Red Lobster lately? Didn't think so.
Oh, and your god doesn't like handicapped people or people with birth defects:
Leviticus 21:18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
21:19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
So mrconservative, do you also protest against handicapped people, people with flat noses, dwarves, those with horrific injuries...or do even you, at some level, realize how silly and ignorant your ancient book of myths really is? ;)
truth posted at 4:13 pm on Tue, Jul 3, 2012.
There are losers, also known as Republicans and there are big losers known as Tea Party, then there are major losers, all the above but add religious fanitics. I think some of you can read, The Arizona Republic 7-1-2012 page B9, So- the Justice Department will NOT try to prosecute Attorney General Eric Holder. LOSERS, LOSERS, LOSERS 1070, OBAMACARE, Eric Holder.
Engaged Voter posted at 9:32 am on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.
"it says nothing about zombies"
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
"or that the earth rests on pilars"
1 Samuel 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.
"or that the earth doesn't move"
1 Chronicles 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
It is both sad and funny how many so-called Christians don't know their own book.
"I don't eat shellfish anyway, so I don't care about that one."
Then why do you care so much about the one about homosexuals?
If you're not a homosexual, you shouldn't care about that one, either.
Which means....
mrconservative posted at 10:43 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.
I thought it would be hard to disprove your theories, but they're actually qute simple, so here we go.
About those so-called "zombies" it litterally means that the dead will rise. Yes, they will once again be alive. They will not be like the zombies you've seen in moves or read about in other books. They will actually be alive, like us, only they will be immortal. This scrpture does not use the word zombie, so what makes you think they'll act like those fictional zombies?
The pillars are not refferring to pillars you see on those old Greek buildings, or what have you, but are actually referring to the fact that God created the earth. There are many parts of the Bible that are difficult to understand, but this one was very obvious to me.
The "earth not moving" is referring to the time when the earth literally stood still; it did not move at all. This happened briefly, so that Samuel could accomplish a task that God gave him.
I doubt that this will be satisfying for you; nothing I say will be. But it is the best I can do. If you want a better answer, try praying (I know an atheist like you probably won't try that, but you can't blame me for trying to get through to you).
"It is both sad and funny how many so-called Christians don't know their own book."
I don't pretend to know everything about the Bible; I haven't read the whole thng. It's very long! But I have read the New Testament with my family, as well as many parts of the Old Testament, including the ENTIRE book of Isaiah.
I will not deny that Isaiah is way over my head. But he WAS a real prophet. He predicted many things which came to pass. And he was only one of MANY prophets.
mrconservative posted at 10:44 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.
quite simple, not qute simple.
Engaged Voter posted at 11:39 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.
Sorry, mrconservative - you pulled those lame excuses straight out of an apologetics website. Amazing how much backpeddling you people have to do!
Your "sacred temples" are already full of evil, bigoted, sexist practices.
The fact that you are a hatemongering bigot, as well as a Bible literalist, speaks volumes.
OH AND I HOPE YOU STAYED INSIDE TODAY, TODAY WAS FOR FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS, NOT HOMOPHOBIC MORONS.
Engaged Voter posted at 11:41 pm on Wed, Jul 4, 2012.
"The "earth not moving" is referring to the time when the earth literally stood still; it did not move at all. This happened briefly, so that Samuel could accomplish a task that God gave him.
I just had to laugh at this one - God stops the SUN, not the earth! Heck, this is one of the verses used to convict Galileo of heresy! You really need to read your dang Bible, instead of relying on website cliffnotes. ;)"
k33j88 posted at 5:45 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
2nd vent: The next time you see an environmentally conscious objector------give them a great big hug and a peck on the cheek. It's because of their so-called love of the "wild and untamed" is the cause of the out-of-control forest fires. Yes, there is a place for controlled fires to release the seeds of new growth. However, there must be a balance struck between the lives and fortunes of logging companies and siviculture. The liberal establishment cannot understand this.
k33j88 posted at 5:50 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
Please allow me to clarify: Most logging firms already practice proper forest management. It's the eco-terrorists that want you and I removed from any and all enjoyment of our vast resources. Thank you.
Engaged Voter posted at 7:08 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
k33j88 - Source for your claims.
Sorry, but after all the false claims made by mrconservative, I want claims with sources. ;)
mrconservative posted at 7:56 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
I didn't get anything from a website. I actually knew the answers. And it's the earth that moves around the sun, not vise versa. EVERYONE knows this. Sheesh.
You've never been in our temples, EV. They are ssacred. Next time you use that kind of evil rhetoric, I will call you something much, much worse than a liar.
I love freedom, unlike you. You hate everything to do with happiness, love, peace and liberty. This is what religions are; EV, despite what you might think.
And it's not just the Bible that I love. The Book of Mormon is our main scripture. Until you read it, you will know nothing. And it is true. Read the testimonies.
Joseph Smith, Jr. bore his testimony one hour before his death. Do you really think that a liar would spend most of his adult life making all that up, if it wasn't true? Like so many others before him, he sealed his tesimony with his own blood. He was a true prophet. It's very sad that you will never accept the truth.
Engaged Voter posted at 8:38 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
"And it's the earth that moves around the sun, not vise versa. EVERYONE knows this. Sheesh."
Your Bible says otherwise:
Joshua 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
"You've never been in our temples, EV."
That's right! And you know why - heck, 30 years ago my skin color alone would have kept me out!
"Next time you use that kind of evil rhetoric, I will call you something much, much worse than a liar."
Considering that I've caught you in four lies in the past week, you might want to get that plank in your eye looked at before you worry about my splinter. ;)
Joseph Smith was a thief, a liar, a conman, and died at the hands of some of his victims. These are recorded facts. (unlike the magically evaporating golden plates you believe in)
"Read the testimonies."
There are numerous testimonies of Bigfoot, alien abductions, and other silly stuff...do you believe those, too?
Engaged Voter posted at 10:05 am on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon430.htm
"The implications of this matter are very serious indeed. Once we accept the validity of the documents concerning Joseph Smith's trouble with the law, we are forced to admit that he was engaging in occult practices at the very time he claimed he was being tutored by the Angel Moroni to receive the gold plates of the Book of Mormon."
mrconservative posted at 12:27 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
You can't prove anything that you have claimed. I can. Check out the book, “The Book of Mormon on Trial”. It is sort of a mock trial in comic book form, and while it is not 100% accurate, it proves beyond a reasonable doubt of the truthfulness of The Book of Mormon.
Those so-called “victims” were evil. They murdered Joseph Smith and his brother in cold blood. Many people, including people who are not members of the church, will say that Joseph Smith was an honest man. His family knew this to be true.
The Book of Mormon is true. I KNOW it. Doubt me if you want, but sooner or later you will accept the truth.
mrconservative posted at 12:27 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
Joseph Smith was acquitted many times, I might add.
mrconservative posted at 12:28 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
Only the fact that you are not a member, a worthy member, would have kept you out.
mrconservative posted at 12:29 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
And anyone can go to the open houses, whether you’re a member or not.
Engaged Voter posted at 12:45 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
"The Book of Mormon is true. I KNOW it."
To know requires knowledge. Knowledge requires facts. You probably claim to "know" your imaginary god exists, too. Learn what words mean before using them.
"Doubt me if you want, but sooner or later you will accept the truth."
A threat, from the same person who whined about being threatened in another article?
Kindly take your ignorance, your bigotry, your hate, your lies, your phoney conman prophet, your superstitious threats, and your silly Bronze Age sky fairy and shove them all where the sun doesn't shine. Thanks so much.
Engaged Voter posted at 12:54 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
"And anyone can go to the open houses, whether you’re a member or not."
These non-Mormons (actually ex-Mormons) had to sneak in!
http://packham.n4m.org/templex.htm
This Mormon was no longer allowed in the Temple for not wearing "magic underwear" for medical reasons (serious rash during the Mission in Brazil):
http://postmormon.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.html
"Over the years I have come to expect some form of rudeness or shunning from a Mormon friend or acquaintance who finds out I am no longer a Mormon."
http://postmormon.blogspot.com/
"The choice is yours to be scared and uninformed or courageous and informed."
Engaged Voter posted at 12:58 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
"You can't prove anything that you have claimed. I can."
I provided sources for every one of my claims.
The only two "sources" you've alluded to are 2 books full of fantasy, myth, and nonsense.
Engaged Voter posted at 1:04 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
"Only the fact that you are not a member, a worthy member, would have kept you out."
Or, before they were forced to accept them in 1978, if you were Black (or any skin color considered "dark"):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
Oops! More Mormon racism exposed! Sorry about that. ;)
Engaged Voter posted at 1:08 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
"An early statement by Young about a priesthood ban in the LDS Church was made on February 13, 1849. The statement — which refers to the Curse of Cain as the reason for the policy — was given in response to the question, "What chance is there for the redemption of the Negro?" Young responded, "The Lord had cursed Cain's seed with blackness and prohibited them the Priesthood."
"In 1852, while addressing the Utah Territorial Legislature, Young stated, "Any man having one drop of the seed of [Cain] ... in him cannot hold the Priesthood and if no other Prophet ever spoke it before I will say it now in the name of Jesus Christ I know it is true and others know it."
The Truth will set you free, mrconservative. So stop hiding from it.
mrconservative posted at 9:16 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
SIR, It just so happens I have the Holy Ghost! He has borne witness to me that the Book of Mormon.
What will it take to convince you of the truth, EV?
I am free, EV. I KNOW that God lives, I KNOW that Jesus is the Christ, and I KNOW that you will accept Him as your Savior as well. This you will do of your own free will and choice.
mrconservative posted at 9:16 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
Let me say this as calmly as I can, OK?
You . . .have . . . no . . . .evidence . . . .that . . .God . . . does . . .not . . .exist.
mrconservative posted at 9:28 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
Why Do We Need Prophets?
"Because Heavenly Father loves His children, He has not left them to walk through this mortal life without direction and guidance. The teachings of our Heavenly Father are not the ordinary, predictable, run-of-the-mill kind you can pick up in paperback at the local bookstore. They are the wisdom of an all-powerful, all-knowing celestial Being who loves His children. Encompassed in His words is the secret of the ages—the key to happiness in this life and in the world to come."
(President Dieter F. Uchtdorf - lds.org.)
mrconservative posted at 10:43 pm on Thu, Jul 5, 2012.
SIR, It just so happens I have the Holy Ghost! He has borne witness to me that the Book of Mormon is true.
(Pardon my incorrect grammar)
There is much, much more I would like to say, but I will leave it at that. For now.
Masterrogue666 posted at 3:11 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.
mrconservative: Please do NOT force YOUR religious beliefs onto me! YOU may choose to think that "666" is an "evil" number, but I have my reasons for choosing "666". It has NOTHING TO DO with me choosing EVIL.
I could be practicing the "Kabbalah" Jewish religion. THEY consider "666" a blessed number! It could be that my "lucky" numbers are "3" and "6", and I figured having "6" listed "3" times would be lucky! Whatever the case, it's MY RIGHT to choose as I see fit! Just as it's YOUR RIGHT to consider it an "evil" omen, even though it's not. What was that saying? "Judge ye not, lest ye be judged"?
I would fight for your right to choose a religion that is moronic to think that "666" is an "evil" sign, but would suggest you judge the person on their actions FIRST! For instance. You have already enjoyed your freedom of religion by considering that I'm "evil" due to my avatar's name. You've enjoyed the freedom of expressing YOUR OPINION in this blog. However, you've shown that you have NO RESPECT for other's RIGHTS when you make statements like "Willie, SHUT THE HELL UP." All it shows is how close-minded you are as an individual.
IMHO, basketball is a boring sport to watch, and I do change the channel, as it is my right to do so. Just like it's your right to enjoy watching it.
Earlier you stated: "I believe in freedom, unlike you.
(Including the freedom of not being forced to buy something I don't want.)"
Your ACTIONS have proven otherwise....
Engaged Voter posted at 7:42 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.
"You . . .have . . . no . . . .evidence . . . .that . . .God . . . does . . .not . . .exist."
aHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Holy guacamole, what an idiot.
You have no evidence that fairies and leprechauns do not exist. Is that a good reason to believe in them?
Engaged Voter posted at 7:47 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.
"I have the Holy Ghost"
And I have a fire breathing dragon in my basement. And I have just as much evidence to support my claim as you do.
"I KNOW that God lives, I KNOW that Jesus is the Christ,"
After making such claims, you now must either provide empiirical evidence for them, or admit you have none and the claims are false. TO DO ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE EVIL AND IMMORAL.
"(Pardon my incorrect grammar)"
NO - you attack other posters for simple typos, but now we're supposed to pardon your isemi-literate superstitious rants?
I've known many hypocrites in my day, but never one who was PROUD of it.
Engaged Voter posted at 7:49 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.
"What will it take to convince you of the truth, EV?"
Reason, logic, facts, and evidence.
And you don't possess ANY of these, so you will be unable to convince me of the validity of your immoral, bloodthirsty cult.
Engaged Voter posted at 7:53 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.
"There is much, much more I would like to say"
Then get to it, so far you've said nothing of value, just parroted and bleated old apologetics that have been used (AND DEBUNKED) for decades.
Get some new material, will ya?
And get professional help, schizophrenia is NOT a joke, and is treatable.
Engaged Voter posted at 8:03 am on Fri, Jul 6, 2012.
Joseph Smith was a liar, a conman, and a fraud.
This is a FACT, supported by EVIDENCE.
You claimed you could back up your claims....still waiting!
Masterrogue666 posted at 7:36 am on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.
@mrconservative: Sorry, but what you describe as fact, others would call faith. There is a difference. And when you write:
"That is all. Do not bother replying. I will not look for it. I will not be making any more comments concerning this subject. Spit out all the vitriol and hated that you want. They will not bother me, since I will not see them. Adieu."
You only help prove how close-minded you are, and that what I wrote earlier is correct.
Engaged Voter posted at 1:52 pm on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.
I wish I could say I was surprised by a reply filled with false claims, lies, and excuses for racism and inhuman behavior...
But considering the source, sadly, I am not.
"Can you think of a way that something can come from nothing?"
I am not a theist. Only theists believe that something (their god) came from nothing.
"That is all. Do not bother replying. I will not look for it."
Not surprising; after debunking all of your lies and false claims, you take the usual theist route and spew a bunch of insults before fleeing with your tail between your legs. *yawn* I've seen it before and will probably see it again. ;)
Engaged Voter posted at 2:03 pm on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.
In the interest of fairness, I'd like to point out that, of the 8 "facts" mrconservative listed, one was actually not false (the rest are complete fiction)"
"FACT: There are millions of worlds out there, other than our own"
Now this may or may not be true, we do not know yet. But I believe it is probably correct. As for his follow-up insult:
"You cannot begin to comprehend any of it."
While not a Physics major, I do possess several degrees, and a minor in Astronomy. I know the number of extrasolar planets that have been discovered, and can even discuss the Earth-sized ones (including the giant diamond) with a degree of accuracy. I'm certain my comprehension of what ACTUALLY EXISTS in the universe blows your away...given the number of complete falsehoods you've posted as "fact".
StrongChristian posted at 11:05 pm on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.
EngagedVoter, can I get my two cents in?
Since this is my very first comment, I wish to express my disappointment in you. You have called mrconservative a liar, and you haven't even begun to grasp a toehold, much less a foothold, to prove that Joseph Smith wasn't a true prophet.
mrconservative is 100% correct. Joseph Smith was a TRUE prophet of God.
And there is OVERWHELMING evidence that God lives. The fact that YOU live and breathe is CONCRETE evidence!
About the Book of Mormon -
Do you know what a philologist is?
A philologist (aka linguistic) is an expert scientist whose main field is studying the use of words to express ideas.
There have been many philologists who are not LDS who have proven that not just one man could have written the Book of Mormon. One only need to compare Nephi with Moroni to come to this conclusion.
Also, there are 180 new proper names in the Book of Mormon when it came off the press in 1830.
One of the "new" names was Moronihah. We thought it was a new name in 1830. Then, many years later, we met an Indian Tribe, whose whereabouts we didn't know of in 1830. The archeologists who came in contact with these Indians asked them how long they had called a certain mountain "Moronihah". They told us that it had been passed down for many, many years, from father to son, ever since the "Great Earthquakes" (which took place at Christ's death).
Another "new" name was Nephihah, which we thought was new in 1830. Then we met another Indian tribe, whose existence we didn't know about util many years after the Book was first printed. This Indian tribe had always called a certain river "Nephihah".
So it goes on, with many of the 180 names. This proves that Joseph Smith could not have dreamed them up.
You have also said - in another comment - that mrconservative wouldn't be commenting anmore to you. Actually, what he said was, "I will not be commenting anymore concerning this matter." He NEVER said he wouldn't be commenting to you or anyone else at all!
Now who's the liar, eh?
You demand evidence that God is real. You demand reason, logic, facts, and evidence. I have given you evidence. Now let's look at the facts, reason and logic:
Fact: The very first sentence in the Bible is: "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the earth"
That makes it pretty clear, dontcha think?
I know you don't belive in the Bible, so I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't accept that alone.
How about this: When you die, and you will die eventually - when, I do not know - you will be brought to stand before your Maker. You will be judged of Him, based on how you acted in this life. He will lok at you and say something like this: "Did I not declare my words unto you, through my servants?" You will not dare to look up to Him. You will bow your head in shame, becasue you did not believe in Him.
Now, since I don't know you personally, I must ask you this question: Have you been an atheist your entire life?
You say that mrconservative has posted lies, about God really existing, and you say that what he has said is not enough. I doubt what I say will be enough, but I guess I shouldn't expect anything more from a close-minded person like you.
You have yet to debunk ANY of mrconservative's words. And you will NEVER be able to debunk mine.
StrongChristian posted at 11:16 pm on Sat, Jul 7, 2012.
Here is a part of what mrconservative said. For some reason, it was erased from this comment page. But luckily, I have a near-perfect memory. To be 100% honest, though, I will admit to copy-pasting most of it. But I was able to recall much of it without looking it up.
You want facts? I’ll give you facts! But remember: YOU’RE ASKING FOR IT!
FACT: We cannot exist without God. It would be impossible.
FACT: God created man in His own image.
FACT: He created the Heavens and the earth.
FACT: In the pre-existence, one-third of the Hosts of heaven (led by Satan, the devil) rebelled against God and were kicked out of Heaven because of it. The rest (including you, EV) sided with God.
FACT: I KNOW that God lives. I KNOW it. Don’t tell me that I don’t know, because I do.
FACT: Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. You cannot prove otherwise. You say there is evidence to the contrary, but you never provide any. (Don’t bother; I know it’s all lies.)
FACT: There are millions of worlds out there, other than our own. You cannot begin to comprehend any of it.
FACT: The sun, the moon, the stars, and the earth – plus, everything on it – is proof that God lives.
QUESTION: Can you think of a way that something can come from nothing? Because, being an atheist, you’d have to believe that.
That's as much as I got.
With all this overwhelming evidence, you'd think it would be enough!
Tell me this, EngagedVoter, since you don't believe in God, does that also mean you do not believe in the devil?
Mrconservative, I will now speak to you. Good job on putting out those facts. This guy, EV as you call him, is too stubborn to admit he's wrong. Nothing short of God Himself appearing to him will be enough to convince that guy that God lives. Bravo. Keep up the good work. Or, rather, the "Good News" of God!
Engaged Voter posted at 6:37 am on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.
"You have called mrconservative a liar"
I've caught him in ELEVEN lies in the past week, Would you like a list?
"And there is OVERWHELMING evidence that God lives."
Then why are people like you and mrconservative so afraid to PRESENT this mysterious "evidence"?
"The fact that YOU live and breathe is CONCRETE evidence!"
Concrete evidence that we live and breathe, not evidence for any magical sky fairies,,,try again.
"You want facts? I’ll give you facts!"
Finally! No more evasion!
"FACT: We cannot exist without God. It would be impossible."
Wow, you're as screwy as mrconservative - that is NOT a fact.
The rest of your "facts" I won't even bother quoting - they are all superstitious nonsense. What are you, ten years old? I'm surprised I didn't see a "fact" about Santa!
Here's a clue for you - making a claim that something, anything, exists...IS A SCIENTIFIC CLAIM THAT REQUIRES EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT.
At least you got ONE thing right - I don't believe in any gods, devils, demons, fairies, pixies. leprechauns, talking donkeys, or talking snakes. Strange that any adult in today's day and age believes in such insane nonsense.
Engaged Voter posted at 6:40 am on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.
"Mrconservative, I will now speak to you. Good job on putting out those facts."
Yes, mrconservative, good job spewing hate, homophobia, and outright lies.
Also, good job creating another account, it shows just what a coward you really are. ;)
Engaged Voter posted at 6:43 am on Sun, Jul 8, 2012.
"The sun, the moon, the stars, and the earth – plus, everything on it – is proof that God lives."
...
"With all this overwhelming evidence, you'd think it would be enough!"
Okay, okay...you got me. VERY funny.
(seriously, no one is THIS stupid!)
k33j88 posted at 4:42 am on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
In my humble opinion, if having faith rested on concrete evidence, then heaven would be full of half-believers. Faith should, and is, somewhat of a mystery. The whole idea of faith rests on the belief of things not yet seen, of promises yet to be fulfilled, and contradictions deliberately placed to fool and distract those not sincere. One mans humble opinion.
Engaged Voter posted at 7:00 am on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
"Faith should, and is, somewhat of a mystery. "
No, it isn't.
Religious faith is NOT a virtue; it is the glorification of willfull ignorance.
"contradictions deliberately placed to fool and distract those not sincere"
Word for word from a Christian apologetics website. Bravo!
Engaged Voter posted at 7:08 am on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
"He translated the Gold Plates through the Gift and Power of God"
...
"My dragon melts metal with the Gift and Power of his Fire Breath."
Both of the above statements have equal validity.
Both require faith to believe.
Are we getting it yet? ;)
StrongChristian posted at 11:57 am on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
Engaged Voter, I am not the same person as mrconservative. He 's 27. I am 18. I doubt you'll beleve me, but it is the truth.
I have three questions for you, and I expect truthful answers.
1. WHY do you not believe in God?
2. If you saw an angel with your own eyes, would you ever deny it?
3. Are you aware, sir, that humans have writen on metal plates before? They have been found all over the world, including Africa, the Middle East and Europe. Google it if you do not beleive me.
StrongChristian posted at 11:58 am on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
Great. I misspelled believe twice.
StrongChristian posted at 12:33 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
And honestly, don't you know your history? The Tower of Babel really did exist. It was located north of present-day Saudi Arabia, or Iraq. I'm not sure if that's the actual country it was in, but it's not far from there.
Here's another question I just thought of. I just want to make sure I understand you correctly.
According to you, when we die, we cease to exist?
Is that something that you believe?
(Okay, that's two questions, but they're both related.)
StrongChristian posted at 12:35 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
And there are plenty of Mayanstatues (mostly Mexico) that strongly resemble the statues in Egypt. How do you explain that?
StrongChristian posted at 12:35 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
Oops. Mayan statues.
Engaged Voter posted at 1:40 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
"I expect truthful answers."
As well you should...unlike SOME people on this comment board, I have never lied.
"WHY do you not believe in God?"
Why do you not believe in Odin?
"If you saw an angel with your own eyes, would you ever deny it?"
If you saw a Valkyrie with your own eyes, would you ever deny it?
"Are you aware, sir, that humans have writen on metal plates before? "
What does that have to do with a fraudulent con man making up false stories?
Engaged Voter posted at 1:43 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
And there are plenty of Mayanstatues (mostly Mexico) that strongly resemble the statues in Egypt. How do you explain that?"
The wheel was invented, separately, in different areas of the world, independent of each other. Do you really want the explanation for these occurrences? (HINT - the real explanation is long, and doesn't require any supernatural elements)
"According to you, when we die, we cease to exist?"
Our atoms continue to exist as they did before we were in our current forms - we are starstuff, whether or not you accept that FACT.
Engaged Voter posted at 1:47 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
"The Tower of Babel really did exist. It was located north of present-day Saudi Arabia, or Iraq. I'm not sure if that's the actual country it was in, but it's not far from there."
I will give you one million dollars for every occurrence of the phrase "Tower of Babel" in the Bible. (HINT - it's not in there).
The story of the Tower of Bable is MYTHOLOGY, like much at the time, to explain why people spoke different languages. It actually explained nothing, just a myth that does NOT explain the etymology of languages at all.
Do you really believe all humans on the planet spoke the same language? Are you really that uneducated?
Engaged Voter posted at 1:55 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
I just noticed something...
"Are you aware, sir, that humans have writen on metal plates before? "
WHAT?! Did you just admit that, even if the Golden Plates existed (which is doubtful), it was HUMANS that wrote on them?!
Wow. Just...wow.
I think we're done here! LOL
StrongChristian posted at 3:28 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
We're far from done, pal. We're just gettin' started. First, proof that the Bible DOES mention the Tower of Babel.
Genesis 11: 1-9
1. And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime they had for mortar.
4. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of t
the whole earth.
5. And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6. And the Lord said, Behold the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.
8. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth; and they left off to build the city.
9. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the l
anguage of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
There is your proof that the Bible mentions the Tower of Babel. Of course, since you reject the Bible to be the word of God, I expect you’ll laugh at it .I typed this all up myself; I did not copy-paste it.
You also said it would be insane for any grown-up to believe in this “nonsense”, meaning a belief in God. Well, if being called insane is the price to pay for believing in God, I’m all for it. I’d rather be insane and happy and believe in God then sad, depressed and miserable and not believe in Him.
And for your information, ELEVEN men testified to seeing the Plates of Gold. Not just one, but ELEVEN.
Here is the testimony of the Three Witnesses:
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
Oliver Cowdery
David Whitmer
Martin Harris
And here is the Testimony of the Eight Witnesses
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship. And this we bear record with words of soberness, that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. And we give our names unto the world, to witness unto the world that which we have seen. And we lie not, God bearing witness of it.
Christian Whitmer
Jacob Whitmer
Peter Whitmer, Jun.
John Whitmer
Hiram Page
Joseph Smith, Sen.
Hyrum Smith
Samuel H. Smith
They never once denied their testimonies, though there were perfect circumstances for them to do so. They lost many friends, and made many many enemies, they were laughed and jeered at; they never denied or changed their testimones. Even long after Joseph Smith's death, they continued bearing testimony to what they had seen.
I also noticed that you avoided my questions. Answer them again, with REAL answers this time.
StrongChristian posted at 3:36 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
One thing I need to add - the mobs killed many women and childen, they tarred and feathered Joseph Smith several times, one time resulted in the death of one of his and his wife Emma Simth's children. I suppose you'll say that the mobs were also "victims".
And let's not forget that a mob of 200 people stormed Carthage Jail and killed Joseph Smith and his brother, Hyrum.
This is what John Taylor, who was a witness to Smith's martydom, had to say about it.
1 To seal the testimony of this book and the Book of Mormon, we announce the martyrdom of Joseph Smith the Prophet, and Hyrum Smith the Patriarch. They were shot in Carthage jail, on the 27th of June, 1844, about five o’clock p.m., by an armed mob—painted black—of from 150 to 200 persons. Hyrum was shot first and fell calmly, exclaiming: I am a dead man! Joseph leaped from the window, and was shot dead in the attempt, exclaiming: O Lord my God! They were both shot after they were dead, in a brutal manner, and both received four balls.
2 John Taylor and Willard Richards, two of the Twelve, were the only persons in the room at the time; the former was wounded in a savage manner with four balls, but has since recovered; the latter, through the providence of God, escaped, without even a hole in his robe.
3 Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it. In the short space of twenty years, he has brought forth the Book of Mormon, which he translated by the gift and power of God, and has been the means of publishing it on two continents; has sent the fulness of the everlasting gospel, which it contained, to the four quarters of the earth; has brought forth the revelations and commandments which compose this book of Doctrine and Covenants, and many other wise documents and instructions for the benefit of the children of men; gathered many thousands of the Latter-day Saints, founded a great city, and left a fame and name that cannot be slain. He lived great, and he died great in the eyes of God and his people; and like most of the Lord’s anointed in ancient times, has sealed his mission and his works with his own blood; and so has his brother Hyrum. In life they were not divided, and in death they were not separated!
(Doctrine and Covenants 135: 1-3)
Engaged Voter posted at 9:16 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
"First, proof that the Bible DOES mention the Tower of Babel."
I never claimed the Bible didn't mention it. I said the term TOWER OF BABEL does not appear in the Bible. And I was correct. Oops!
The rest of your diatribe is regurgitated mythology. Fail.
"We're far from done, pal"
YOU are done. You've yet to substantiate ANY of your outlandish claims with even a SHRED of empirical evidence. All you have is the same apologetic sophistry that's been used (and debunked) for decades.
You can continue to spout lies and false claims, but be aware that I will continue to call you on them. It's the only HONEST thing to do. ;)
Engaged Voter posted at 9:21 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
"First, proof that the Bible DOES mention the Tower of Babel."
I never claimed the Bible didn't mention it. I said the term TOWER OF BABEL does not appear in the Bible. And I was correct. Oops!
The rest of your diatribe is regurgitated mythology. Fail.
"We're far from done, pal"
YOU are done. You've yet to substantiate ANY of your outlandish claims with even a SHRED of empirical evidence. All you have is the same apologetic sophistry that's been used (and debunked) for decades.
Engaged Voter posted at 9:24 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
Here - some TRUTH to cut through all the lies:
Born Evil: That's What the Mormon Church Taught Me as a Brown and Female Child
The daughter of a Navajo mother and a white father tells a painful story of racism and sexism in the Mormon Church.
http://www.alternet.org/belief/156015/born_evil:_that's_what_the_mormon_church_taught_me_as_a_brown_and_female_child
Engaged Voter posted at 9:30 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
"Are you aware, sir, that humans have writen on metal plates before? "
You forgot about this little gem...I wonder why? ;)
Thanks for admitting that the "golden plates" (if they even existed) were written by MEN.
Apparently a little truth DID slip in there.
StrongChristian posted at 11:10 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
"I will give you one million dollars for every occurrence of the phrase "Tower of Babel" in the Bible. (HINT - it's not in there)." You claimed, with this sentence, that the Bible does not mention the Tower of Babel. I gave you my proof, and you still debunk it? Why am I not surprised?
Granted, that scripture does not have the words "Tower of Babel", but it is soooooooooooooo obviously reffering to the Tower of Babel; you'd have to be more braindead than Terry Schiavo to believe otherwise.
Yes, men did write on the Gold Plates - that is a fact. You cannot prove that the Gold Plates did not exist. It starts in 600 B. C. and ends around A. D. 421. A part of the book tells about the people who lived in the area when the tower was built, and their descendants. Both groups wre, for the most part, destroyed.
I think it's time I told you my story - my CONVERSION story. That's right pal, I am a convert to the LDS church. Here it is in a nutshell:
1. At he age of fifteen (three years ago) two young men showed up at my parents' door.
2. I read the Book of Mormon, prayed about it, as the book says to do (It took me about six months to read it. I had school, after all).
3. I recieved confimation that the book is true.
4. My parents, and myself, as well as several younger simbings, were baptized. I will be going on a mission in a little over a year. I am realy looking forward to it.
I wouild tell you more, but it's late at night and it would take too long.
Joseph Smith did not even have a eighth grade education. He could not possibly made up the story in the Book of Mormon. There are far too many dialects. There's also a considerable amount of detail. I doubt even a university graduate could have made up that story!
As for that Navajo woman, why do you take her word for it, just because of what she says happened? You refuse to believe that Joseph Smith saw God, Jesus, and angels, but you believe this woman who claims that she was taught that she was born evil? If she had said the opposite - that she was told the Book of Mormon was true - and she believed it - you would call her delusional. You accept testimony that is anti-Mormon, but you debunk and ridicule pro-Mormon.
Isn't that a little hypocritical of you?
"The rest of your diatribe is regurgitated mythology. Fail."
I notice that you seem to have a blank mind when it comes to my other staements. Maybe because you are beginning to believe what I say? Not likely, since you've called Joseph Smith a liar, not to mention a thief, which is laughable at best. What evidence do you have that he stole anything?
Have you ever heard of a Professor Charles Anthon? He was a well-known Egyptologist. Martin Harris, who was a scribe for Joseph Smith for a short while, as well as one of the Three Witnesses, brought to Prof. Anthon a copy of the hieroglyphics as well as the translation, and he confirmed that the trannslation was correct. He gave Harris a certificate that certified that the hieroglyphics were true characters, and that the translation was also correct.
Though Anthon did tear up the certificate when he learned from Harris that "an angel of the Lord revealed it unto him", he later verified in a meeting of scientists that he had given the certificate to Harris.
Harris then proceeded to another Egyptologist, Professor Mitchell, and Mitchell also verified that the characters were true and that the translations was correct. Neither Anthon nor Mitchell ever became Mormons, so will you debunk them as well?
"You are only asked to believe honest and competent human witnesses who testified to things they saw and heard - nothing changed thier testimones - even on their deathbeds - that testimony will stand in any court of law in the land!"
("Book of Mormon on Trial" - page 89 of the 1971 edition.)
David Whitmer - another of the Three Witnesses - was the only of the Three Witnesses who died out of the church, yet he never denied what he had seen. There had been a false rumor that he had denied the Book of Mormon. He asked 19 of the most prominent and influential men - none of which were members of the church - to sign a certificate that declared that David Whitmer was an honest man. They knew him to be a man of integrity.
Also, Joseph Smith was born into a very strong religious family. He was no doubt taught to be truthful. So when he told them of his first vision, they never doubted him even for a second. Why should he lie? He had no reason to. It would gain him nothing - especially since he was persecuted for pretty much the rest of his life. No honest man would falsely claim that he had seen a vision from Heaven.
Let's see you worm your way out of that one!
[tongue]
StrongChristian posted at 11:11 pm on Mon, Jul 9, 2012.
Okay that post was a bit longer than I originally intended. But every word is the truth. That is my testimony to everyone, and not just EngagedVoter, who won't even consider the possibility that God exists.
Engaged Voter posted at 7:34 am on Tue, Jul 10, 2012.
""I will give you one million dollars for every occurrence of the phrase "Tower of Babel" in the Bible. (HINT - it's not in there)." You claimed, with this sentence, that the Bible does not mention the Tower of Babel. I gave you my proof, and you still debunk it? Why am I not surprised?"
I thought you said you were 18 - READ WHAT YOU JUST WROTE!
That phrase DOES NOT APPEAR ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE.
Trying to LIE about what I said, while QUOTING what I said...not very smart.
"you'd have to be more braindead than Terry Schiavo to believe otherwise."
You spineless little two-faced punk - after taking the "high road", you stoop to the same insults as those you claim to be better than. Wow, the "oops!" are piling up!
Engaged Voter posted at 7:37 am on Tue, Jul 10, 2012.
"You cannot prove that the Gold Plates did not exist."
And you cannot prove that purple fairies from the 12th dimension do not exist.
Stop being so silly.
"Let's see you worm your way out of that one!"
Um, YOU were the one who claimed to have facts and evidence to support your claims.
So far, all you have done is parrot superstitious nonsense and give us your "personal testimony" - not a shred of evidence or facts to be seen.
We're done here - either back your claims up with your next posting, admit you cannot...or continue to show the readers just how slimy and dishonest you are.
The choice is yours. ;)
Engaged Voter posted at 7:39 am on Tue, Jul 10, 2012.
"EngagedVoter, who won't even consider the possibility that God exists."
Another lie...don;'t you get tired of getting caught LYING here?
Didn't the shaming of mrconservative and his filthy lies teach you anything?
StrongChristian posted at 7:58 am on Tue, Jul 10, 2012.
I AM 18. I never said I wasn't. I was converted three years ago at the age of 18.
Everything I said is true. God is my best witness.
StrongChristian posted at 8:02 am on Tue, Jul 10, 2012.
"And you cannot prove that purple fairies from the 12th dimension do not exist."
Why must you be so snobbish and sarcastic?
Genesis 11: 1-9 does talk about the Tower of Babel. Didn't you read verse nine?
StrongChristian posted at 8:05 am on Tue, Jul 10, 2012.
Converted at 15, not 18. I made a little typo there.
StrongChristian posted at 8:08 am on Tue, Jul 10, 2012.
"EngagedVoter, who won't even consider the possibility that God exists."
You claim this is a lie? You're an atheist. You do not accept my word that God really does exist. So, that being said, what I said is 100% accurate. Unless you can say otherwise?
Engaged Voter posted at 9:45 am on Tue, Jul 10, 2012.
"Everything I said is true."
Then why can't you support any of your claims?
"God is my best witness."
Ah, THERE'S your problem. It's called Circular Reasoning. You might want to look that up, and then stop doing it. It makes you look really silly.
"Why must you be so snobbish and sarcastic?"
Wow. You are in denial. Fairies from the 12th dimension are JUST AS VALID as any god, yours included. This is a FACT, deal with it.
"Genesis 11: 1-9 does talk about the Tower of Babel."
No kidding. I never said it didn't. You aren't real good with word comprehension, are you?
"You're an atheist."
While this may be true, I have never made that claim.
You are ASSuming. ;)
"You do not accept my word that God really does exist."
And you do not accept my word that there is a Fire Breathing Dragon in my basement. Both of these assertions are faith-based. See how that works?
"what I said is 100% accurate. Unless you can say otherwise"
I just proved it was NOT accurate at all. No need to say otherwise.
Engaged Voter posted at 11:30 am on Tue, Jul 10, 2012.
"You accept testimony that is anti-Mormon, but you debunk and ridicule pro-Mormon."
*sigh* Another lie - you're worse than mrconservative when it comes to lying!
I accept testimony that has facts and evidence to support it. I reject testimony that uses delusions and hallucinations(in other words, NOTHING) to support it.
"Isn't that a little hypocritical of you?"
You're hardly in a position to call anyone out for hypocrisy, you bigoted homophobe.
Engaged Voter posted at 1:27 pm on Tue, Jul 10, 2012.
"Not likely, since you've called Joseph Smith a liar, not to mention a thief, which is laughable at best. What evidence do you have that he stole anything?"
http://www.lifeafter.org/jsmith.asp
"...if you are interested in facts, instead of legends, you might find yourself questioning whether it's a good idea to put your eternity in the hands and beliefs of this man."
"Joseph Smith was also into mysticisms and Masonic practices, was a reader of seer stones, and was a money-digger who engaged in fortune telling. In addition to the militia he formed, what you won't hear that it was against the law. He destroyed a printing press. He burned down the building that it was in. He shot and killed two men with a gun he had smuggled into the jail. He had 48 wives."
DARN THOSE PESKY FACTS! LOL
Engaged Voter posted at 7:36 am on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.
"And, in any case, the same thing happened to a printing press the saints were using in Nauvoo - it was destroyed by mobs. Will you not condemn that? If you don't then you are a hypocrite."
I condemn ALL acts of ignorant terrorism. Why are YOU giving one a free pass?
You need to look up the word HYPOCRITE, I don't think you know what it means.
"They printed lies and misinformation"
There are lies and misinformation in the majority of your posts.
Does that mean they should be destroyed (you know like the posts of mine you were afraid to respond to, so you had them removed?). Slimy and dishonest...I wish I could say I was surprised...
Engaged Voter posted at 7:38 am on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.
"Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain . . . death cannot conquer the hero again".
Kinda ironic, the attributes of cult leaders..followers say the EXACT SAME THING about Osama bin Laden, David Koresh, etc.
Not the kind of insanity I would want my "prophet" associated with, but hey, it's YOUR claim, not mine! LOL
Engaged Voter posted at 7:41 am on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.
"Let me be clear - I CONDEMN all kinds of racism - ALL kinds."
Ah, so you will be leaving the LDS Church and condemn their hateful actions?
Or will you continue to be the hypocrite, and excuse their bigotry?
(oh nevermind, we both know the answer!)
Also, please stop quoting a book of mythology to try and prove the mythology.
I already called you out on Circulair Logic, please stop using it...it makes you appear slimy and dishonest, and afraid of the actual truth.
Engaged Voter posted at 7:46 am on Thu, Jul 12, 2012.
"Y'know what's so funny about you anti-Christ posts?"
Anti-Christ? You are a filthy liar, and anyone reading this thread can see that.
NONE of my posts have been "anti-Christ" - they have been pro-truth. Deal with it.
"You are fulfilling a prophecy by doing it."
My fire breathing dragon predicted you would say that.
(see? aren't these assinine claims kind of silly? LOL)
"You despise Him, you reject him"
I cannot despise or reject something that doesn't exist.
Do YOU despise and reject Santa Claus? Do you see how silly this claim would be?
More filthy lies - it is simply AMAZING how easily your ilk spews lies out of one corner of your mouth while spouting "thou shalt not lie" with the other. Pathetic.
Engaged Voter posted at 5:46 pm on Fri, Jul 20, 2012.
StrongChristian, I cannot respond to your vulgar ranting (well, I COULD, but it would look silly since EVT will be removing your foul posts). With one exception:
"I DO NOT NEED FACTS TO PROVE THAT I AM RIGHT"
Actually - yes, you do. And you have presented nothing but myth and fantasy.
Oops!
Engaged Voter posted at 5:47 pm on Fri, Jul 20, 2012.
How typical - expose a religious nut as a lying scoundrel, and watch the scoundrel respond by screaming and shouting insults.
I wish I could say I was surprised...
*yawn* NEXT!
mrconservative posted at 1:20 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.
I'm back. I'd tell you why I haven't commented for a while, but it's long and boring. Suffice it to say that if I could have commented, I would have.
God is real, EV. Someday you will know that for yourself. When you die, and pass through the veil, you will recognzie your Heavenly Father. He is as real as you and I. I konw this to be true.
You've told StrongChristian, and me, I assume, that we just assume that you are an atheist, so I will ask you straight-out - are you an atheist?
I'm sad that you won't even open your brain to the possibilty that there is a God. You will only see it your way, and no one else's.
I will say it again: There IS a God, and the Bible is a true book, as is the Book of Mormon. I've tried to look at it from your point of view, and you know what? It's scary, the thought of there not being a loving God who watches over us. The only logical conclusion that I can come up with is that God exists.
Engaged Voter posted at 4:53 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.
"Suffice it to say that if I could have commented, I would have."
Really? Even though you told me (and everyone else reading) that you were done responding to me. How effortless lies slip through your teeth.
"Someday you will know that for yourself."
I've told you before, and this will be the last time - TAKE YOUR IGNORANT SUPERSTITIOUS THREATS AND SHOVE THEM WHERE THE SUN DOESN'T SHINE, YOU SPINELESS COWARD.
"He is as real as you and I. I konw this to be true."
Yes yes, you've been making this claim over and over and over...nd running like a cockroach whenever you're asked to SUPPORT YOUR FACTUAL CLAIM.
"I'm sad that you won't even open your brain to the possibilty that there is a God."
I'm sad that you have to continually tell lies about me in order to make yourself feel better. How would you know what gods I do or don't believe in? What a piece of slime you are.
"I will say it again: There IS a God,"
Yes, you keep parroting that line like a good sheep. Doesn't mean much, since you scamper and hide rather than support the claim.
"The only logical conclusion that I can come up with is that God exists."
LOL@logical. Based on your uneducated, barely literate posts, I have serious doubts that you even know what Logic is. Your god vanished in a puff of Logic centuries ago...sorry about that.
Engaged Voter posted at 4:56 pm on Mon, Jul 23, 2012.
"It's scary, the thought of there not being a loving God who watches over us."
Yep, sure is.
It's also scary for young children to have the thought of there not being a Santa who watches over them and gives presents.
But it is necessary to grow and mature into an adult.
Engaged Voter posted at 7:55 am on Tue, Jul 24, 2012.
"You want facts; I have given you facts"
And the lies continue to flow like diarrhea.
"I just noticed you dodged my question"
LOL!!! You've dodged EVERY question of substance put to you! Slimy little snake.
"I know you think the book of Exodus hwas been proven to be false, so I will say this - if that's true, how do you explain the Jewish tradition of a Passover dinner every year?"
LOL!!! The Hindus have a celebation of Vishnu every year...how do you explain that if Vishnu isn't real. Oh and we send our children hunting for Easter Eggs every year, that proves the Easter Bunny is real!
(are you starting to see how stupid your claim is yet?)
I won't bother responding to the rest of mrconservative's hate filled rant, because the EVT will be removing the comment. Posting threats is not only rude, cowardly, and juvenile, but it is also against the Rules of Conduct for posting here.
Do ALL Mormons resort to insults and threats when they are exposed as liars, or is it just this one? ;)
mrconservative posted at 10:40 am on Wed, Jul 25, 2012.
I never said the Easter bunny was real. And it's not like you've never threatened or insulted me and StrongChristian. That shows REAL patriotism.
And I am not a liar, EV. I'm an Eagle Scout. Do you know the Scout law? Well, the first thing in it is "Trustworthy". This means we don't lie.
You're still dodging my question. But I already know the answer anyway. If you weren't an atheist, you would have already denied it. I see right through you.
Answer this for me - what is more powerful than God, more evil than the devil; the poor have it, the rich need it, and if you eat it, you die?
By the way, more kindergartners knew the answer to this question than college graduates. If you want to see the answer, scroll down to the bottom of my comment.
Nothing.
mrconservative posted at 10:57 am on Wed, Jul 25, 2012.
That's right pal - NOTHING. Not you nor anyone else can prove that God is not real. I don't need to prove that He is real - the evidence is all around you. Good luck finding it.
And if you want to reply to this comment, do so on a more recent Vent page. It's getting more difficult to get to this page; we have nearly 100 comments right now. I've never seen more than this on ANY page, not that I'd remember it. Though I have a pretty good memory, it's not perfect. I'm not too good at remembering names, for one thing.
Is it not possible that you are wrong? Are you not willing to look at it from my point of view? It's been said before, but I will say it again - you CANNOT exist without God.
I find it amusing that you think, when we die, we go back to being whatever we were before this life - and you can't even prove this. To prove that heaven is a real place, I suggest you read the book, "Heaven is for Real" by Todd Burpo. It's about a little four-year-old boy who, during emergency surgery, slipped from consciousness and went to heaven for a short time. He saw his great-grandfather - who had died thirty or so years before his birth, as well as his sister who had died in a miscarriage - and no one had told him about this. He'd been too young at the time. Will you doubt the words of a child? Hmm? ANd you can't say that surgery never happened - I know the doctors would confirm it took place.
If that's not enough, then read the "It's a Miracle" books, which have many stories of miracles. Will you deny that miracles are real? Well, I am living proof thta miracles are real. I've lived one myself. I won't tell you now - it'd take too long.
And what about that four-year-old who threw the first pitch at the D-backs game on Tuesday? He was what doctors called "internally decapitated", and he's still alive. He is nothing short of a miracle.
And what about the storms and tempests and earthquakes taht took place in about A.D. 34? Will you deny that they actually happened? There are plenty of non-LDS scientists that will confirm that they did take place. Just read the book, "Americas Before Columbus" and look on page 41 for at least three different quotes concerning those storms.
You really don't need any evidence, other than the Earth itself that God is real. How else could this world have come to exist? I doubt you can explain it. And I doubt that you can explain what happened a nanosecond before the "Big Bang" supposedly happened.
I think I know why you won't respond to the rest of my comments. Is it because you don't want to admit that you have no answer for everthing I said? Or maybe it's because, deep in your heart, you know that I am right, but are just too stubborn to admit it?
Try a bit of humility. It works wonders.
Engaged Voter posted at 5:49 pm on Wed, Jul 25, 2012.
"And it's not like you've never threatened"
Never. Not once. I realize you don't seem to understand that factual claims require this thing called EVIDENCE...but try to keep up, will ya?
"Answer this for me - what is more powerful than God, more evil than the devil; the poor have it, the rich need it, and if you eat it, you die?"
The answer is NOTHING, because your god and your devil are fictional myths...even children are able to figure out that religion is pure nonsense.
"I'm an Eagle Scout."
Okay. So you belonged to a homophobic hate club, Good for you.
(what this has to do with the unsupported claims and outright lies you've been spewing, I have no idea)
mrconservative posted at 10:48 pm on Wed, Jul 25, 2012.
I've already given you plenty of evidence that God is real. You just refuse to accept it as enough. Like I said, when you die, you will know that I am right.
The Socuting program is not full of homophobics. Have you ever heard of James Stewart? I believe he was an Eagle Scout - as was Frank Capra. He directed my favorite movie, "It's a Wonderful Life" which starred Stewart. And I don't hate anybody - not even you.
Like I've said oever and over - God is real. I KNOW it. And you will know someday, too. If you ever decide to join my church, I would welcome you with open arms - despite all the lies you've posted here.
As ffor Zeus, well, I don't think he's real. One God is enough for me.
So . . . I'm curious. Have you answered that salt question Strong Christian asked you? I'd be quite curious to know your answer.
Let me say this - Spiritually speaking, I have tasted salt - and DON'T tell me that I don't know that God is real - because I do. DON'T tell me to give you any more proof that God is real - I don't need to. It's all around you. Everywhere you look, there is evidence of God's existence. Ever been to the Grand Canyon? Ever seen it's beauty? Is it not possible, that God put it here for our benefit? If God is not real, then how did we get here? What's the purpose of life, if not to be tested?
When you die, you will know the truth. Since I don't know your real name or your age, I will probably never know when it happens. But I'm guessing that you will be gone before the year 2060. That's only a guess, and it's nearly 50 years from now.
Arrivederci. Per ora.
Engaged Voter posted at 12:58 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.
"I've already given you plenty of evidence that God is real."
None doesn't mean plenty. You haven't presented any evidence for any god.
But feel free to start anytime, all this cowardly evasion is sickening.
"The Socuting program is not full of homophobics."
What the heck is a "homophobic"?? No, the Scouts ARE homophobic, and here is the proof/evidence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies
"Since 1991, openly homosexual individuals have been officially prohibited from leadership positions in the Boy Scouts of America.[12] A 1991 Position Statement states: “We believe that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the requirement in the Scout Oath that a Scout be morally straight and in the Scout Law that a Scout be clean in word and deed, and that homosexuals do not provide a desirable role model for Scouts. Atheists and agnostics are also excluded.”
(SEE THAT? I AM SUPPLYING ACTUAL EVIDENCE FOR A CLAIM! ARE WE LEARNING YET??)
"God is real. I KNOW it."
You are a filthy liar, through and through, To KNOW requires KNOWLEDGE, which requires FACTS and EVIDENCE. You have nothing, and continue to rant and rave as if you do, Pathetic.
"Ever been to the Grand Canyon?"
Yes, and religious freaks like you keep claiming God made the Grand Canyon in just a few weeks (since they believe the Earth is only 6000 year old LOLOL!!!!)
"When you die, you will know the truth."
Take your immoral, vile threats and shove them up your mother.
(I hope you find that as offensive as I find your cowardly threats)
Engaged Voter posted at 1:00 pm on Thu, Jul 26, 2012.
" If God is not real, then how did we get here?"
If Zeus is not real, then how did we get here?
"As ffor Zeus, well, I don't think he's real."
So you are an ATHEIST when it comes to the Greek gods? Interesting...
mrconservative posted at 8:47 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.
I'm not Greek, idiot. I'm American. There is only ONE God.
For the next couple of weeks, I’m going to be watching the Olympics, so I won’t be making a whole lot of comments here, or anywhere on the Tribune Website, but that does NOT mean that I will be making zero comments. See you later, Ali Gator.
mrconservative posted at 8:56 pm on Sat, Jul 28, 2012.
I don't know why atheists or agnostics would want to be Boy Scouts anyway. Same thing to homosexuals.
"“We believe that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the requirement in the Scout Oath that a Scout be morally straight and in the Scout Law that a Scout be clean in word and deed, and that homosexuals do not provide a desirable role model for Scouts. Atheists and agnostics are also excluded.” "
I am not afraid of gay people, nor do I hate them. I do not believe that anyone is born gay. I just don't believe it. I believe it is a choice.
"To KNOW requires KNOWLEDGE, which requires FACTS and EVIDENCE. You have nothing, and continue to rant and rave as if you do, Pathetic."
I have facts for you. You refuse to accept them. Nothing I say will change your mind. What do you want? A vision from God Himself? Do you want Moroni or someone else to appear before you? Would you deny it if that ever happened? Well, both happend to Joseph Smith, and he never once denied it, though there were perfect circumstances for him to do so. He bore his testimony to the Carthage jailer one hour before his death. One hour!
I have NEVER threatened you. I don't even know what you look like! Not that that would matter. I wouldn't harm you. I can't say you wouldn't harm me, though. You've already threatened me at least once, not to mention call me about a hundred different names. You know what though? That doesn't matter; they just bounce right off of me. They don't mean squat to me. Not one bit.
I'd better go, now. I'm missing the Olympics. Arrivederci, again.
Engaged Voter posted at 3:08 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.
"I'm not Greek, idiot. I'm American."
Please show where I claimed you were Greek. Failing that, congratulations...I just caught you in another lie, weasel.
"I do not believe that anyone is born gay. I just don't believe it. I believe it is a choice."
How ironic...you believe in a god for which there is ZERO evidence, yet won't accept that gender orientation is DNA related EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE EVIDENCE FOR IT. That, more than anything else you have said, PROVES YOUR RELIGION ROTS THE MIND.
Engaged Voter posted at 3:12 pm on Sun, Jul 29, 2012.
"I have facts for you."
You'll forgive me if I don't believe you...you've said this before and have yet to supply any facts whatsoever.
"I have NEVER threatened you."
Really? So someone hacked your account when you posted:
"Someday you will know that for yourself."
"You will know for a fact after you die"
Or did I just catch you in ANOTHER LIE? Beyond pathetic at this point.
"You've already threatened me at least once"
Evidence or this gets added to your pile of lies.
"They don't mean squat to me"
Really? Then why do you keep coming back here to spew more nonsense (only to get schooled time after time)?
Engaged Voter posted at 4:06 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
" I do not believe that anyone is born gay. I just don't believe it. I believe it is a choice."
And I believe that anyone who thinks the gender they are sexually attracted to is a CHOICE which can be changed from day to day is someone who is confused about their sexuality.
Mrconservative, do you REALLY think that you can choose to be attracted to members of the same sex? You actually think you could wake up tomorrow and CHOOSE to be attracted to other men? Wow...just, wow.
mrconservative posted at 11:34 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
I called you a liar, and you said that if we were in a tavern, I'd be picking my teeth off the floor.
Sounds like a threat to me.
Oops!
I never once threatened you. You are a human, are you not? You are mortal, are you not? I know that I will die one day. And so will you. That is a fact. I can't say when it will happen, but it will happen. And if you were an Olympian, representing the United States of American , I would cheer for you. I cheer for all Americans, regardless of their race. Even when a foreign person accomplishes a great feat, I cheer for them. I love the fact that our Olympans show great sportsmanship, and not just Americans.
Go USA!
mrconservative posted at 11:36 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
About that tavern comment? Another name for a tavern is a bar, and I have never set foot in a bar before in my life, and I never will. I wouldn't go in a bar/tavern if my life depended on it. The same thing applies to casinos.
I don't care if others use them, but I never will.
mrconservative posted at 11:37 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
And restaurants are not the same things as bars, either, in case you were wondering.
mrconservative posted at 11:52 pm on Mon, Jul 30, 2012.
One more thing -
"Please show where I claimed you were Greek. Failing that, congratulations...I just caught you in another lie, weasel."
You said that it was "interesting" that I didn't believe in Zeus, a Greek mythology god. You even referred to me as an atheist when it comes to Greek gods! Don't you have to be Greek to believe in Zeus? I always thought so. I could be wrong, but your words there gave me the impression that you were calling me greek. It was not a lie. It was a matter of my opinion.
Though the time will come when we will get a president with Greek ancestry. Even I might have a small amount of Greek ancestry. I don't know for sure.
How do I know about the president with Greek ancestry? Let's just say that I've read a small portion of a book entitled "Visions and Dreams in the Last Days"
The book has many quotes from different people, one of which claims that our government will fall when we have a president with Greek ancestry. I'm not making this up.
Another quote told of a person who saw the Twin Towers fall, years before it happened. They did not know it was a terrorist attack. I doubt they could have done anything if they had known. Another person knew that George W. Bush would have two terms. This was back, I think, in the Bush 41 years.
In case you're wondering, I'm typing all this pretty late at night, not during the Olympics. They're over for the night, but I will continue to watch them.
About that book - I'm not enirely sure that is the actual title - It may be "Drams and Visions of the Last Days" - or something like that. It's actually pretty interesting.
I suggest you read "90 Minutes in Heaven", "Heaven is For Real" and "Mere Christianity" All three are excellent books. That last one is by C.S. Lewis, though I bet you already knew that. And did you know that Lewis, was in fact, an atheist when he was a teenager? I'll bet you were amazed to discover that, whether it was now or years ago. He was converted to Christianity by none other than J. R. R. Tolkien, the author of The Lord of the Rings trilogy. In my own opinion though, the movies are better than the books. Again, that is just my opinion.
Engaged Voter posted at 10:49 am on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
"I called you a liar, and you said that if we were in a tavern, I'd be picking my teeth off the floor."
I never said this, it was another commenter. Oops!
Sounds like another lie to me. ;)
"About that tavern comment?"
Yes, about that tavern comment...who said it? I sure as heck didn't!
"Don't you have to be Greek to believe in Zeus?"
Wow, are you serious? So you think you have to be Egyptian to believe in Ra?
(You DO know the Romans worshipped both Greek and Egyptian gods, right?)
As to the rest of your delusional ranting, let me just say this:
I am reading a book. This book has talking plants, talking animals, unicorns, dragons, wizards, witches, and magic spells.
Am I reading A) The Bible, or B) The Lord of the Rings?
(HINT - there are no witches or unicorns in The Lord of the Rings)
Engaged Voter posted at 10:51 am on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
"I never once threatened you."
How cowardly and dishonest does someone have to be, to threaten someone with eternal punishment, and then deny it (even though the threat comments ARE STILL THERE FOR ALL TO SEE)?
Shameful and pathetic. How Christian of you.
Engaged Voter posted at 10:52 am on Tue, Jul 31, 2012.
"You even referred to me as an atheist when it comes to Greek gods! "
Yes, the term ATHEIST was first applied to Christians because they did not believe in the Greek/Roman gods. Hence the reference.
But you didn't even know that, did you?
Engaged Voter posted at 5:35 pm on Sat, Aug 4, 2012.
*crickets*
So much for religious "moral" values.
The truth sends the cockroaches running for the shadows every time. ;)
mrconservative posted at 10:54 am on Fri, Aug 17, 2012.
I am assuming that the "talking plant" is Treebeard.
But where are the talking animals? I don't recall seeing them.
It's been quite a while since I read the LOTR books, so my memory of them is a bit fuzzy.
All right, pal. You deny that it was you comment about the tavern. Tell me where to find it. And then we'll see if it was yours or not.
And I never did threaten you. See, that's the problem! All I said is that you will die someday. How is that a threat? It's just a fact! Unless you are immortal, you will die someday. I will too! It's nothing to be scared of! As I said in a vent printed months ago, you should not be afraid of death if you are a good person.
Engaged Voter posted at 7:50 am on Wed, Aug 22, 2012.
Tell you where to find what? Your mystery tavern comment?
Personally, I don't think there ever was one...I never saw it. I think you made it up in the lame hope that I wouldn't call you on it (which would be a silly assumption since I call you out EVERY TIME YOU LIE).
"All I said is that you will die someday"
AND ANOTHER LIE!
You specifically said, in several different ways, that AFTER I die I would be hellbound (you used many different words to skirt around using Hell). Do you deny this?? Must I find and post every threat you made telling me how I am going to suffer in the afterlife?? SHEESH!
"you should not be afraid of death if you are a good person"
Ah, you stopped short this time...continue this thought...why should you be afraid of death if you are a bad person? ;)