Rare first edition Book of Mormon missing from Mesa shop

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• Juggernaut8000 posted at 3:00 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

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  Whoever has it, burn it. It's full of lies and fairy tales.

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• Engaged Voter posted at 5:36 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

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  "...that was translated by Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints founder Joseph Smith himself..."

  Translated?? Oh, you mean from the magically disappearing Golden Plates deilvered by an angel?

  The trib should stick to reporting facts, not silly mythology.

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• Hieroglyphics42 posted at 5:43 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

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  I applaud you, Juggernaut8000. Burn it indeed. Another blunder for the cult of Mormonism. Such a chameleonesque religion, originating from the church outcast/polygamist/pedophile himself, Joseph Smith. VIVA LA TRUTH.

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• mesateacher posted at 6:59 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

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  Lady, that old copy became worthless when you decided to eviscerate it and sell the pages for money. No book collector would want it.. You ruined it. Or maybe someone knew that an original would confirm the nearly 5000 changes compared to the current edition and didn't want that embarrassing information out there. Or maybe you just lost it in the incredible hoard in your store.

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• lgem613 posted at 9:15 pm on Thu, May 31, 2012.

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  Look you guys I am technically a Morman. Have not attended in nearly 20yrs. My dad attends each week. I see your points when it comes to the wacked out version of Mormanism w/the polygamist stuff etc But That is NOT the beliefs of that lady & the church she attends. I personally don't think it matters what religion anyone is. If they believe in God worship him at a church or the privacy of their own home then that is all that matters. Whatever people who believe in God do to worship or show their love & faith for him is good enough. You dont have to attend church to do that. Just like you dont have to lump all Mormans together w/sick people who practice polygamy. I mean I don't go around calling all white people sick twisted murderers like Manson just cause he happens to be white too.

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• Rich posted at 12:43 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

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  In the valley here, they will probably contact me. The question really might be whether the Mesa police have half a handle, or whether they don.t care. or whether the Mesa PD really know already. Stealing, having books like this s what I do. Have a clue? If you don't, well that's why I iive here.I actually know where every proevvanced copy of The Book of Mormon actually is. And I am a published author whose book is on the shelves in Mesa I don't like PD, but would it be published if the stolen book was Naked Lunch. One email and it couldn't be sold. Shame the Mesa police are so lame.

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• PeacefulCat posted at 11:15 am on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

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  This is about theft not religion. it is Not OK to take someone Else's property lies or not.

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• Juggernaut8000 posted at 2:00 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

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  I wasn't just picking on Mormons, all religions are nonsense and it is a shame otherwise rational thinking people still believe in that BS.

  Grow up people, it is a fairy tale akin to Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

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• Dwight Rogers posted at 2:53 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

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  To mesateacher,

  The Book of Mormon has undergone about 5,000 changes. Nearly all of these were to correct minor spelling and punctuation errors made by Joseph Smith’s scribes while he rendered the translation to them. Changes were also made to correct typesetting errors introduced by the printer. Virtually all books have these types of errors in the first, or even the first several editions. The critics know this but are not forthcoming about this fact.

  In the early 1800s, spelling and grammar were not yet standardized. Joseph dictated the translation to scribes who spelled many words in ways that are nonstandard today. Hundreds of spelling variants had to be corrected in the first edition and in subsequent editions of the
  printed text. For example, "ware sorraful" in 1 Nephi 7:20 was changed to "were sorrowful." Likewise, we should not be outraged to find Nephi writing on "plates" today when Joseph's scribes had him writing on "plaits" in 1 Nephi 13:23. Hundreds of such changes have been necessary.

  The critics are trying to create the impression that the Church has something to hide about the Book of Mormon. The critics often charge that there is a great cover-up about the changes in the text compared to the original Book of Mormon, completely ignoring the fact that anybody can buy reprints of the 1830 edition from LDS bookstores and that LDS scholars freely and openly discuss and write about the nature of these changes. Changes in the text have been discussed in official Church publications like the Ensign magazine and by widely respected, private LDS groups like the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies.

  Let us be fair and apply the same standard of judgment to the Bible. Has the Bible undergone any changes as the various editions have been published? Of course it has. Some versions of the Bible read quite differently than others. In part, this is depends on which source manuscripts are used for the translation. There are thousands of source manuscripts to choose from and, on some passages, they read differently one from another. It also depends on the translators choice of words and even his doctrinal inclinations.

  It would be quite a task to try and compare the many different versions of the Bible which have been printed. For the moment, let’s limit ourselves to the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible. For example, when the KJV was first published in 1611, the book of Mathew had 43 italicized words in it. I order to make the text more readable in English, translators would add words that were not in the original manuscript. Over the years, the number of italicized words has continued to expand with each edition. The number of italicized words in the KJV Matthew grew from 43 in 1611 to 583 in the 1870 edition. That’s a lot of additions. (P. Marion Simms, The Bible in America, New York; Wilson-Erickson, 1936, p 97)

  These 583 added words occurred in the book of Mathew alone. The KJV has undergone over 200,000 wording changes or additions since 1611. If only one version of the Bible, the KJV, has this many wording changes, imagine the variant wordings between different versions. Why so many changes in just one version of the bible? Why so many different versions?

  The KJV version of Luke 22:43-44 describes the suffering of the Lord more fully than any other Bible passage. Yet, some versions of the Bible do not include these verses because some ancient manuscripts do not contain them. The Anchor Bible lists the ancient manuscripts which contain these verses and the manuscripts which omit them and adds "The decision to admit them into the text or to omit them from it is not easy: the matter is hotly debated among textual critics today...The external witnesses to the text are almost equally divided." (Joseph A. Fitzmyer, trans. And notes, The Gospel According to Luke (x-xxiv), The Anchor bible, vol 28a, Garden City, New York: Doubleday & Company, 1985, p. 1443)

  Another example of this problem is Mark 16:10-20. This passage is also included in some version of the Bible and omitted by others. Some Bible scholars believe that this passage is a later addition, and was not in the original text, and that it should be omitted. Other Bible scholars disagree and think it should be included.

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• Engaged Voter posted at 4:18 pm on Fri, Jun 1, 2012.

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  Dear Dwight Rogers,

  "Nearly all of these were to correct minor spelling and punctuation errors made by Joseph Smith’s scribes while he rendered the translation to them"

  Translation from what langauge (and please don't say Egyptian)?

  Also, translated from what (and please don't say magically delivered golden plates)?

  It's not the edits that most sane, rational people have a problem with. It's the insane superstitious nonsense that's accepted as fact that is the issue.

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• Bingo6 posted at 9:21 am on Sat, Jun 2, 2012.

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  Mormonism, like all fairy tales are just that whimsical nonsense, however, where is the outrage over this silly woman for destroying a rare one of a kind book and selling it page by page.

  I wonder if she ever had an original copy of the constitution, woud she just sell it also say word for word.

  Rare book dealer, I don't think so.I ea

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