A Phoenix Republican is making a last-ditch push Tuesday to allow any Arizonan to force Barack Obama -- or any presidential candidate -- to come to court here to defend the legitimacy of his candidacy.
Rep. Carl Seel is pressuring Senate President Steve Pierce, R-Prescott, to clear the way for a floor debate on his bill authorizing such lawsuits. Seel said Pierce is refusing to yank the bill from a Senate committee that has run out of time to hear it.
But Pierce said Monday he cannot bring HB 2480 to the Senate floor until Sen. Nancy Barto, R-Phoenix, who chairs the Committee on Healthcare and Medical Liability Reform, where the bill is assigned but has not been heard, gives her permission.
Barto, however, said she will not do that until Seel shows her he has the votes for approval of the measure on the Senate floor. Barto said there was no reason to engage in a divisive floor debate without some assurance the concept has the necessary votes.
So Seel is trying to round up that support today with a press conference with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Seel promised that Arpaio, who already has raised questions about the validity of President Obama's birth certificate, will have new evidence.
Hanging in the balance is a controversial bill to require national political parties to submit an affidavit, signed by the candidate under penalty of perjury, that the person meets all the legal requirements to hold the office.
But the real heart of HB 2480 allows any Arizona voter to challenge an affidavit, "including the facts or legal conclusions contained in the nomination paper and affidavit.'' And that would send the case to a state judge.
That goes not only to the long-debated issue of whether there is verifiable documentation of the place of the candidate's birth.
It also could put a state judge in the position of determining whether someone is a "natural born citizen'' as required under the U.S. Constitution and not merely a citizen. And some have argued that Obama is not because his father was not a U.S. citizen.
Seel introduced the measure in the House earlier this session.
But Speaker Andy Tobin never even assigned it to a committee for a hearing. He pointed out that Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a similar measure last year, saying he sees no point in another attempt.
So Seel struck the measure onto an unrelated measure dealing with the Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System which had already passed the House and was being heard by the Senate Committee on Government Reform. It passed on a 4-2 vote.
But because the bill initially dealt with a health issue, it was also assigned to Barto's committee.
There are no more meetings of her committee scheduled. And Pierce said she gets to decide whether to surrender control of the measure.
Seel said the measure is not specifically aimed at Obama or even the presidential race, pointing out its provisions would apply to anyone seeking office. But he acknowledged that the measure stems from questions about the president's qualifications.
Under the terms of the legislation, anyone filing suit to knock a presidential contender off the Arizona ballot would have the burden of proof to show that person is ineligible to hold office. Seel said, though, once a lawsuit were filed, then the defendant -- in this case, the president -- "would have to answer subpoenas and prove that he or she is qualified.''
How that is done becomes more complex.
"Let's say, for example, the person that's in the White House produces the birth certificate that's on the White House (web) page,'' Seel said. The Obama administration has posted a copy of what it says is his long-form birth certificate from Hawaii.
Seel said that birth certificate would then be subject to forensic evaluation.
"If, forensically it comes up short, as Sheriff Joe's investigation shows it comes up short, then, arguably, that person would not be on the ballot,'' he said.
Seel said it's irrelevant that the former governor of Hawaii has said the birth certificate is genuine. He said the document should be evaluated in Arizona.
"It's clearly a power of the states to conduct the elections,'' Seel said. Nor was he dissuaded by a possible legal challenge.
"I welcome the day that we'll be once again in court with the federal government, just like we are with (SB) 1070,'' the 2010 law adopted to give state and local police more power to detain and arrest illegal immigrants. The U.S. Supreme Court is set to hear arguments on the legality of that measure next month.
bblade50 posted at 8:34 am on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
I would like to take this even one step father. Make all people running for office in the state of AZ to give a drug test and full lenth birth certilicate before entering for that office. We would stop all of the nut jobs like this one spending our money.
CooperG posted at 9:21 am on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
As Comedy Central's Jon Stewart says, "Arizona is the meth lab of Democracy." Seel is plainly not the sharpest tool in the shed and let's hope some more intelligent Republican runs against him in the fall. Even the National Review says this investigation by Arpaio is crazy and anyone who supports it is unworthy of political support. Put Seel right up there with Arpaio.
OldMan posted at 9:45 am on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
Can we take this one step further..............An individual cannot hold a federal or state elected position in Arizona unless that individual was born in Arizona.
Chilidog posted at 10:15 am on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
Oldman, there are only three elected offices at the federal level, the House of Representatives, the Senate and the Presidency (and VPOTUS, but that is basically the same as POTUS).
The requirmets for those postions are spelled out in the U.S. Constitution.
The state of Arizona can not impose their own requirements on top of these.
Reciprocator posted at 10:46 am on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
To stop all this non-sense, we pass a law that anyone that is a registered democrat be sent back to Mexico, where they belong.
Accuracy posted at 11:56 am on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
Last year the Arizona State Legislature passed HB 2177 which would have required presidential candidates to submit proof of U.S. birth in order to appear on the state’s ballot. But, Governor Jan Brewer vetoed it.
This month, the Arizona Senate Government Reform Committee passed HB 2480, after first stripping out all the original contents of the bill (which concerned health insurance), and substituting some election law provisions.
House Bill 2480, related to Representative Carl Seel’s earlier proof-of-citizenship bill proposal, would require candidates for U.S. president and vice president to have their national party submit an affidavit to Arizona's secretary of state attesting, under penalty of perjury, that they are qualified to hold those offices. And one requirement to hold the U.S. presidency is that the candidate is a natural-born U.S. citizen.
Also, amid controversy over President Obama’s birth certificate and selective service registration, Sheriff Joe Arpaio is NOT going to back down from Barack Hussein Obama’s identity document fraud investigation. And, as the Obama investigation could lead to ballot denial for Obama, “Sheriff Joe” won’t let the Liberal media and the political establishment cower him.
Chilidog posted at 1:24 pm on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
Dennis Gilman, who is running agains Apraio for Sheriff had the following comment:
"You're talking about allegations against the President of the United States. So if you feel that serious about it, then you should assign sworn deputies to investigate it. But the reason that you chose not to was because you knew that it wasn't the truth. So you thought you would have an excuse by saying, `Well, I didn't spend any taxpayer dollars to look into it.'"
TruthSeeker posted at 2:16 pm on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
I agree that the long form birth certificate should be required to prove you are a natural born citizen. Unfortunately, the counties are no longer providing these documents. When I applied for Social Security, I requested my birth certificate from a major county in IL. They sent me a certificate of live birth, which included only that I was born in that city on a particular date. No hospital and/or doctor information, age of parents, etc. I do have a copy of my long form birth certificate, but it is now sepia toned and has been severely creased and folded over the years. I didn't want to send that in as proof so I used the live birth one, which they accepted. So it may be that unless you already have a long form birth certificate, your home county may no longer have that information on file. I also have an original certificate of my birth from the hospital, but I was told that isn't legal proof that I was born there. It even has my footprint on it!
Accuracy posted at 3:57 pm on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
Chilidog posted: “Dennis Gilman, who is running against Apraio for Sheriff had the following comment:”
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Chilidog….. Nice try at misinformation.
Phoenix videographer Dennis Gilman IS NOT running against Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio . . . But, former Phoenix Police Department Sergeant Paul Penzone, who is running for sheriff as a Democrat, was “interviewed” by Gilman, and “Sheriff Joe” was in their discussion.
Scottsdale Police Lieutenant Mike Stauffer is also running as an Independent. Either one – Penzone or Stauffer – would NOT be an improvement for Maricopa County.
Dale Whiting posted at 5:01 pm on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
This is lunacy. Where Barack Obama claims to have been born in Hawaii and where officially and on the record Hawaii backs up this claim, any and all challenges must be brought in Hawaii. And under the Constitution's "full faith and credit" provision, Arizona must honor Hawaii's decision. In short, this Arizona challenge is unconstitutional! ! !
Figures, doesn't it. We honor the Constitution but only when doing so suits us!
Dale Whiting posted at 5:09 pm on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
Chilidog,
I beg your pardon. I skipped right over your analysis to get to the bottom to make mine. Obviousely we both are right. These other nuts just don't know what they are taling about. And they just won't listen, either.
Rather than sending Democrats to Mexico, let's you and I move north and allow Mexico to take back over Arizona. It would serve these idiotic Neo-conservative Arizonans right. And know this. I'm a registered Republican and have been for 44 years! I guess education effects the mind. It makes it able to deal rationally with the surrounding world!
sdjtaz posted at 6:43 pm on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
1) When conducting an investigation, the investigator should come into the process without any prejudices and base the conclusions on the evidence. In this case, one of the primary investigators was Jerry Corsi, who had already published books that were critical of President Obama and was also involved in a website asking people to pray that Obama was defeated and replaced by a "godly candidate".
2) His lead investigator, Mike Zullo, is selling the results of the investigation as a book.
3) Sheriff Arpaio is currently under negotiating with the Department of Justice about serious violations of civil rights in the MCSO. Yet, Arpaio claims that the investigation into President Obama is not political.
4) The "Birther" charges about Obama's birth certificate and Selective Service registration have been roundly disproved. In example, because Obama's SS registration number starts with 089, "Birthers" claim that means his record was created in 2008. However, that code was an indication as to where the SS record was keyed in.
5) As many have pointed out, both the attempt to pass this law and the investigation is unconstitutional. I'm always amazed how often the Tea Party members that are the main supporters of the Birther movement talk about following the Constitution, until the Constitution gets in the way of their beliefs.
This is why most mainline Republicans (including the Governer) have rejected the "Birther" movement. The first three points alone show that this investigation was biased from the start and actually brought up nothing new. The claims by Arpaio have already been made by others and have been disproved. It is only the far right "Birthers" that are still buying into this, which is why Arpaio released his "results" at a Tea Party meeting in Surprise.
downtownresident posted at 7:28 pm on Tue, Mar 27, 2012.
bblade50,
How would Olivia Cortez have faired with your ignorant law in place??
You bigots need to get over the fact that a Black man is sleeping in the POTUS's bed, with a Black woman!!!!!! In the White House, no less. The fact that it is called a White House has nothing to do with the color of the skin of the occupants.
Don't tell me it's about anything else.
Grow up!
k33j88 posted at 5:20 am on Wed, Mar 28, 2012.
Why don't all you neo-libs stay here? Don't you love the Constitution? Aren't your loyalties with those whom you share your life with? Isn't your love of dissent, protests, and your support of the OWS'RS worth your desires? However offensive and rediculus your arguments are, they are required to ensure a balance of opinion. Please stay, the country needs you and your nonsense to insure the legitimacy of reason and logic.
k33j88 posted at 5:30 am on Wed, Mar 28, 2012.
As our last line of defence against federal tyranny, thank you Sheriff J. Arpaio for all of your efforts. Those that illegitimize your efforts are also cut from the same socialist/marxist cloth of the liberal agenda. Their definition of the Constitution is that it is outdated and obsolete. They want a re-defined Amerika, with an ever-expanding federal leviathan. Long live the Tea Party!!!
sdjtaz posted at 8:33 am on Wed, Mar 28, 2012.
K33,
"Why don't all you neo-libs stay here? Don't you love the Constitution?"
Thank you for the laugh. Again you prove my point that conservatives are all for the Constitution, yet don't even know what is in it. I suggest that you read Chilidog's post above regard Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution. Very simply, Hawaii has stated that the birth certificate on file in their state is legitimate and that President Obama is a United States Citizen. As such, any investigation by Sheriff Arpaio is irrelevant. Additionally, the proposed Birther laws that this article speaks of is unconstitutional and a waste of our time and money.
Before you post again, I would suggest that you find a copy of the Constitution and actually read what it says.
In conclusion, k33, to paraphrase a popular beer ad, "Stay stupid, my friend."
In_God_We_Trust posted at 12:33 pm on Sun, Apr 1, 2012.
On March 7th, 2012, Pravda called out the U.S. press for its deliberate neglect of the largest scandal in modern American history. Maricopa County, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio released credible forensic evidence that Barack Obama, presumed President of the United States, presented to the world a forged Birth Certificate on April 27th, 2011.
Since then, the scandal has only expanded. Former United States Postal Service worker Allen Hulton has recently come forward with compelling testimony given under Oath, which leads to only one conclusion: Barack Obama attended College in the United States as a Foreign Student.
In the summer of 2008 the presidential primary season was winding down, and America could not help but note the fervor a significant number of media personalities expressed while supporting the candidacy Barack Obama. Indeed, it was collectively decided within the liberal media, that Obama’s associations with racist pastors and violent domestic terrorists was to be suppressed.
The exposure of the “Journolist” email scandal in 2010 made this glaringly clear: Stories like Obama’s ties to Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr. of the Trinity United Church, and more relevant, to Bill Ayers and his radical past in the Weather Underground Organization were to remain largely un-reported and uninvestigated. Any realistic investigation into Barack Obama’s background was to be minimized, inquiries eventually mocked, and investigators labeled racists.
These tactics have isolated honest media who could and should have reported on these and other important stories yet have inexplicably remained silent. Now we know why. More on this in a moment.
The Postman
Retired United States Postal Worker Allen Hulton recently signed a sworn affidavit for the Maricopa County, Arizona Cold Case Posse convened by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, attesting under oath, to conversations with Mary Ayers, the mother of Bill Ayers. He made his testimony public in a three hour long taped interviewed on March 19th, 2012. Mr. Hutton, by signing an affidavit has subjected himself to laws regarding perjury, not something to be taken lightly as telling the truth is now for him a requirement of law.
His testimony states Mary and Tom Ayers (Parents of Bill ''I don't regret setting bombs” Ayers) were sponsoring Barack Obama as a foreign student, and financially supporting his education.
This is a huge revelation on not one, but two separate fronts.
Bill Ayers of dubious “Weatherman” fame, was not just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood”, as then candidate Obama brushed aside. The video linked here comes from a televised DNC Debate in the summer of 2008. As Hillary Clinton revealed then, Obama served in a paid position on the Woods Foundation with Bill Ayers and the two were involved in several projects dispersing millions of dollars over several years.
Realistically, the Ayers family could be said to have adopted Barack Obama, if not as a son then certainly as a kindred Marxist spirit, and treated him to one of the finest educations possible.
There is little doubt Mr. Obama has been less than honest with regard to the Ayers family and their significance in his life.
As disingenuous as this is, it is by no means the most important revelation.
If correct, and Obama was introduced to Hulton as a Foreign Student, this means Barack Hussein Obama would have been using a Foreign Passport to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities. Because Hulton has signed an Affidavit, this cannot be disregarded as mere hearsay; it is instead evidentiary in nature.
The significance of this development may not be immediately apparent until one recognizes American law regarding citizenship status. Citizenship laws as expressed in Title 8 of the United States Code states the use of a Foreign Passport constitutes adult recognition of relinquishment of American Citizenship:
8 USC 1481
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; 8 USC 1481
Using a foreign passport in order to obtain status as a foreign student is precisely that, proof of naturalization in a foreign state.
The child Barack Obama became an Indonesian Citizen when he was adopted by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro and the family’s subsequent relocation to Indonesia. Young Barack by law needed Indonesian Citizenship in order to attend school, and his adoption provided this. Indeed, in young Barack’s situation adoption was necessary to gain it.
In his defense, Obama supporters have claimed for years if the president had lost his American Citizenship as a child, he did not in fact lose it because the actions of a parent cannot permanently remove a child’s American natural born citizenship status. This fallacious argument once had some validity within the confusing morass that is American Citizenship law, the nature of which is a challenge for immigration attorneys even today.
However, Hulton’s story and sworn affidavit would confirm that Barack Obama renounced what American citizenship status he had as an adult over the age of 18, by attending college as a foreign student using a foreign passport.
This would explain the president’s refusal to release his college records. These records will easily prove or disprove his status as a Foreign Student. This is the importance of U.S. Postal worker Allen Hulton’s testimony. Unless Obama formally renounced that foreign citizenship, there is the distinct possibility he is not an American Citizen, let alone a Natural Born Citizen.
In reality, due to his father’s British heritage, Mr. Obama was never a Natural Born Citizen to begin with, and admitted precisely this on his “Fight the Smears” website, stating that he was born under the British Nationality Act of 1948. This website “http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/” has since been removed from the live internet to re-direct to Attackwatch.com “http://www.attackwatch.com/”. Clearly Mr. Obama has relied upon confusing the American people as much as possible in order to make the truth as difficult as possible to ascertain.
Selective Service Fraud
Equally unreported by the U.S. media is that of the Selective Service Card which registered Barack Obama for the Draft in 1980. Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse released information on March 1st 2012 that this document is also “Highly Suspicious” of being a forgery, along with Mr. Obama’s “Long Form Birth Certificate” which was released by the president in the White House press room on April 27th, 2011.
One of the few media outlets reporting fully on the Cold Case Posse is the Tea Party Tribune of Arizona. On March 21st, the Tribune reported that Sheriff Arpaio has asked the Selective Service headquarters in Virginia for the original card itself in an effort to determine its authenticity within the Selective Service System. According to the Tribune, Sheriff Arpaio expressed his confidence that the agency would investigate the matter. This remains to be seen.
Has the wider American media addressed any of this in context? It may be the largest scandal in American history, certainly the most significant constitutional crisis the nation has faced since the end of the Civil War…
No.
They don’t dare.
Censorship: It is not a rumor.
Amendment I
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
The First Amendment will not prevent a few thugs funded by a private citizen or corporation from paying strategic individuals personal visits though, will it? Now we know why the remaining honest media has remained suspiciously silent.
Rumors of censorship of the American press have circulated at various times over the last several years. It seemed impossible that credible and realistic questions could exist concerning Barack Obama’s qualifications for President, yet be somehow missed by the main stream media. Indeed, the media in general is very aware of these questions, however they cannot ask them, let alone report on them. Just one example is Media Matters, funded by the George Soros Foundation, which has repeatedly and openly threated Talk Radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and his advertisers. Many have given in to the threats merely to stay in business.
In late May 2011 Dr. Jerome Corsi PhD. published “Where’s the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not E...”. At about the same time, a concerted behind the scenes effort was made to silence the press with regard to the ever increasing questions about Barack Obama’s eligibility.
A telephone interview March 22nd with Cold Case Posse Lead investigator Mike Zullo revealed the Posse had received “highly credible” information from three separate, unrelated, credible sources detailing information regarding a nationally syndicated Conservative Talk Radio show. This major very well-known host had a fill-in the day the script called for a discussion of Barack Obama’s persistent and unanswered questions regarding his citizenship status.
The executive producers of the national show, 3 hours before air time, pulled the script literally leaving the temporary host with no script whatsoever.
For a nationally syndicated show, this is absolutely unheard of, particularly with a fill-in doing the show. Programing is scheduled days in advance as hours of work and preparation often go into them; it is after all a business and one which must inform accurately. To have a script tossed just hours before airing is simply not done without explanation or substitution.
Lead Investigator Zullo revealed in this conversation that several individuals have come forth to provide testimony; the identity of these witnesses is being withheld for their protection. They identify producers, reporters, T.V. and radio personalities who have been told specifically by intimidating individuals who state clearly, they are not going to report on this story. These witnesses have been told: “If you breathe a word about it on air, we will make certain you never work in this business again,” said Investigator Zullo. Apparently those making the threats have the power to carry through on them.
Some of these witnesses have been told this along with a sinister inquiry into how a family member is doing over at XYZ (details have been changed to protect witness identity), or some other means of letting that person know the powers that be know exactly where their family members are…
There are a few however with the courage to speak out and report on this story. Talk radio show host Rodger Hedgecock recently had Sheriff Joe Arpaio on his show. “This is probably the biggest censorship blackout in the history of the United States…” said Arpaio, “Why?” he continued, “Because it has to do with the White House? The President?”.
How can the American media possibly pass on a story so huge, and so important – fraud committed by a sitting president? – Simple, it has quite simply been threatened into silence, and law enforcement is now well aware of it.
Those who are threatening the media are apparently dead serious: to the extent that no member of the media who has been threatened is willing to admit publically to it. However, there are several who have given their witness testimony, but have done so under the very strictest of confidentiality agreements. Collectively they are afraid of losing their jobs, or of their employees being further threatened.
This is no game, this is no rumor. Sheriff Arpaio and the Cold Case Posse have the information directly from witnesses who have specific knowledge of the threats, and there are a significant number of informants. Whoever is making these threats has the power to make those threats happen. It is being taken so seriously that no major media outlet has dared to break the silence.
Lead investigator Zullo, mirroring the comments of Sheriff Arpaio commented, “This is probably one of the most concerning aspects of this investigation.” When asked if this was thuggery, the reply came without hesitation, “That’s exactly what it is.”
Media moguls at the levels of a Rupert Murdoch are justifiably nervous. The implicit threat - beyond the direct threats made to their employees - involve investigations of media outlets along with their websites and their parent companies by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).
“During our investigation, we actually were told [that media] had been threatened with FTC investigations. Commentators [had been] threatened with their jobs.” Lead Investigator Zullo told Bob Unruh of World Net Daily on March 7th. These are the auspices of the federal government with the resources of a powerful nation backing them. The justifications for using such power are almost unlimited as RedState pointed out in August of 2011.
These federal agencies can yank broadcasting licenses, or take a variety of other actions which have the effect of making it impossible to do business let alone broadcast. It’s a brutal quid pro quo: don’t breathe a word on Barack Obama’s citizenship issues or constitutional qualifications for the office he has usurped, and we will let you stay in business.
To be brutally clear, the power and backing of the United States Federal Government is being used to silence the press about Barack Obama. Either outright or through coercion, the media is complicit in covering up the crimes of the fraud Barack Obama and his unconstitutional government. These patterns are clear and unmistakable.
Part two of this column will report on 9 State Attorneys General who have taken the unprecedented step of listing the continuing crimes of the Obama Administration with the clear intent to prosecute, which has also received little media attention.
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