Some worry drastic legislation a sign Arizona politicians are out of touch

Leon Ceniceros posted at 3:54 pm on Sat, Mar 5, 2011.

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I haven't seen any change in the polls of Arizona citizens. They voted overwhelmingly to change the OBAMA "CHANGE TO SOCIALISM" agenda of the DEMOCRAT PARTY. Not just in Arizona but ....ALL ACROSS AMERICA. If you watch the news, States in the "Rust Belt" that were massively "unionized" in the past have now become ...REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLDS and are voting....OUT....the pro-union, pro-liberal policies and politics of the past 40 years....just like that. Obama sounds more and more like Egypt's deposed dictator Mubarack...every day. He lets Vice-President Joe Biden negotiate with the Republicans because even though...."Bite-me Biden" as a 4-Star General referred to him last year...isn't the ..."brightest kid on the block"...at least ..Bite-me Biden's word is trusted which is more that you can say for Barack Hussein Barry Soeteo Obama (or whatever his real name...which Americans will never find out because he refuses to show his birth certificate ...for some reason...[wink].
As for Chandler's mayor....what comes to mind is B. H. B. S. Obama's old mentor, his old pastor of 20years from Chicago....the infamous Reverend Jeremiah Wright (watch him on youtube)...talking about..."chickens coming home to roost". Well Chandler was one of the original...."SANCTUARY CITIES" who's Police Department was ordered not to arrest ...ILLEGAL ALIENS...well.....this week we see where Chandler, Arizona has the distinction of being the 1st American City where a...MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL BE-HEADING....occured. Now why would the MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS ....feel that ...CHANDLER, ARIZONA...would be a city where they could act with such impunity.....why would they ever thing that they could get away with it in Chandler, Arizona.
The Arizona voters elected their choices for representation. The Arizona Legislators are doing what they were elected to do. That is the way politics work in America. You can be a....."SORE LOSER"....and bad-mouth your State....or you can be a patriotic citizen and abide by the rule of the majority...which is the way our Nation was created.

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crazyfromtheheat posted at 3:56 pm on Sat, Mar 5, 2011.

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Ask Texas how well this plan plays out. They have done all the things these guys say they are going to do and they still have a tremendous deficit. Why? Because corporations use resources and don't pay back into the community. They hire the minimum amount of people at minimum wage. It doesn't work. It is failed policy. The Tea Party is a fairy tale and Arizonans continue to suffer. Maybe this will motivate more voting in the next election of sane, moderate, centrist. Whenever Arizonans have had enough. Have you had enough yet?

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davidflucier posted at 4:28 pm on Sat, Mar 5, 2011.

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Somehow, I don't think that passing an unconstitutional piece of legislation "in order to get the conversation going" is really a good starting point for fixing the structural deficit. It's like walking up to someone to say hello by swiftly kneeing someone in the groin and saying, "oh, I just wanted to get your attention so I could say hello". Or passing a $540 million corporate tax cut and calling it a "Jobs Bill"...guns on campuses, eliminating Medicaid, putting the immigration enforcement responsibility on teachers, healthcare workers, nullifying Federal laws, cutting education and saying you support education, trashing the Board of Regents as a way to "improve" higher education in the state. I am totally befuddled! Up is down; down is up, day is night, license plates for political parties and calling it upholding the Constitution.

And now we are no closer to actually coming up with a solution to our STRUCTURAL DEFICIT than we are to taking wings and flying to the moon.

I think most of Arizona s still looking for that thing we call, "A solution".

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nybill38 posted at 5:15 pm on Sat, Mar 5, 2011.

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exactly how many is "some" I don't know of a single person that opposes what Arizona is doing on immigration.

As far is this stuff being unconstitutional I suggest you go back and read it, and if you don't understand it read it again and again until you do

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Cerulean posted at 8:26 pm on Sat, Mar 5, 2011.

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“Sometimes we advance measures that are in effect a statement that we’re trying to send a message and I suspect that a lot of the push on the AHCCCS has to do with frustration on federal mandates, federal strings,” Mesnard said.

I imagine that this is what most of these absurd bills are about. Arizona's legislature is trying to tar and feather the fed, a kind of vigilante justice. Is that not exactly what 1070 is about? The problem is that you goofs in the legislature are costing the state more in legal fees than you solve with your temper tantrums, actually doing far more harm than good for Arizona's citizens.

"Creating a committee that would allow Arizona to nullify federal laws it does not agree with."
[crying] Stop spending so much of our money on stupid legislation that will only benefit lawyers.

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Dale Whiting posted at 8:56 pm on Sat, Mar 5, 2011.

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‘What the hell is going on in that nutty state?’ Beats me!

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wdgnas posted at 7:24 am on Sun, Mar 6, 2011.

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• Dissolving the Arizona Board of Regents system in favor of separate boards for each state university.

sounds to me like bigger government instead of smaller government. i have said this before. follow the money. somebody has a lazy brother in law sleeping on a couch or a campaign donor who wants one of these jobs...

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listenertoo posted at 8:22 am on Sun, Mar 6, 2011.

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Leon, just a suggestion; your egregious grasp of basic punctuation and misuse of capitalization makes what you have to say much less credible. When you use so many elipses (those little dots) it shows you are uneducated. Educated people, and that includes all political persuasions, see wrting like yours as ranting, and ranting is just not eloquent.

It is obvious you are passinate about what you believe. I would suggest taking a basic writing course so you could make your point. Ask yourself if you want to persuade the reader or get support from people who already believe as you do. A good writer uses intelligent arguments to persuade the reader.

Oh, and don't further loose credibility by calling me names. That is the ultimate tip off of someone who does not know how to make a point.

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Leon Ceniceros posted at 9:02 am on Sun, Mar 6, 2011.

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Egregious grasp of basic punctuation = guilty
Misuse of capitalization = guilty
Uneducated = guilty
Ranting = guilty
Passinate (could you possible mean "passionate"...but what the heck) = guilty

What you are guilty of is...................(love those "elipses"....[beam]).....not giving any answers to the points that I so "un-educatedly" (is that a real word...oh, what the heck)...wrote about in my comment.
What's that old saying...."Pretty is as Pretty does".

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Leon Ceniceros posted at 9:08 am on Sun, Mar 6, 2011.

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P.S................"a good writer"......aren't "good" and "bad"......VALUE JUDGEMENTS...not....PERFORMANCE JUDGEMENTS ?????

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davidflucier posted at 9:38 am on Sun, Mar 6, 2011.

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I'm still looking for a solution...or more to the point, several solutions to all the problems of the State. Hint: name calling, finger pointing, and blaming George Washington for starting it all don't count as solutions. Nor does saying things like, "it's very simple...." because believe it or not, it's not simple. Complex problems don't find solution on bumper stickers unless you really think that a cutsie little buzz phrase is going to correct a hugely complex, social, political, economic, financial problem.

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listenertoo posted at 9:54 am on Sun, Mar 6, 2011.

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What was your point, Leon? I couldn't find it. It is not up to the reader to wade through your ramblings to try to figure out what you were trying to say.

You missed my point (which was fairly obvious) that poor writing obscures the message. I would like to be able to understand what exactly you are saying.

You can get as nasty as you want (what exactly did you mean by "Pretty is as pretty does."?) but I take no offense. I am suggesting that you get help in with your writing. I enjoy reading different points of views; it makes one think. A well thought out argument is a pleasure to read, but that is not what you have done.

You probably have interesting things to say. My challenge to you is take some time to learn how to express yourself and the whole discussion moves up. Is there really a problem with that? To your credit you admitted your mistakes. I believe that with proper coaching you could learn to make yourself clearer and that is the main goal of writing.

Good luck.

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EmperorSmith posted at 1:49 pm on Sun, Mar 6, 2011.

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Is the truth being told, listner?

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EmperorSmith posted at 3:06 pm on Sun, Mar 6, 2011.

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I should of kept a record. I identified at least 6 EVT employees probably doing there jobs.

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Poorman posted at 3:46 pm on Sun, Mar 6, 2011.

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At least Sen Sinema got it partly right,she isn't living in the real world.

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EmperorSmith posted at 4:16 pm on Sun, Mar 6, 2011.

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Call Sherpiro get Cochran on the line.

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Masterrogue666 posted at 10:41 pm on Mon, Mar 7, 2011.

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listenertoo: Actually, Leon Ceniceros made several points. If you don't like putting forth some effort to read and understand what's written there, that's your right. However, this isn't a course on Writing 101. Perhaps Leon hasn't had the opportunities you or I have had. Perhaps Leon will never be able to do so. You are the one whom is most at fault for not sticking to the topic.

As for him getting "as nasty as you want", I didn't perceive Leon getting "nasty" whatsoever. However, I did consider most of what you wrote rude since it could be construde as a personal attack since there's nothing in either of your statements was about the article.

I noticed that you didn't critique anyone else's writing, even though many are guilty of the same things. I wonder, are YOU capable from learning from YOUR mistakes....[wink]