Attorney General Tom Horne accused the Obama administration Tuesday of trying to thwart Arizona’s voter-ID laws in a bid to get more illegal immigrants to the polls — presumably to cast ballots for the president and Democrats.
Horne acknowledged that a brief filed by the Department of Justice in a case to be heard next month by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals centers around the agency’s argument that Arizona’s law requiring proof of citizenship to register is pre-empted by federal law. But Horne, a Republican, told Capitol Media Services he sees something more sinister.
“I think the motive is that the more illegals that vote, the better the Obama administration thinks it will do,’’ he said.
As proof, Horne pointed out that the Department of Justice did not file its friend of the court brief until just last week. That is nearly three years after the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund and others first challenged the law.
More to the point, Horne said, is that the administration waited until virtually the last minute: The case is set to be heard in just two weeks.
A Department of Justice spokeswoman brushed aside Horne’s questions, saying the arguments in the legal brief speak for themselves.
At the heart of the fight is a 2004 voter-approved law that requires presentation of certain documents that prove citizenship before someone can register. Another provision of the same law, not at issue here, mandates identification before casting a ballot.
The lawsuit contends that runs afoul of the National Voter Registration Act. That law spells out what states can and cannot require before someone can vote in federal elections.
A trial judge did not see it that way. But last year, in a divided opinion, a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit ruled the law invalid because of the conflict with the National Voter Registration Act.
That led to the decision to ask for review by a full 11-judge panel of the court. Horne, who said he will argue the case personally, said this is more than an academic question.
“Illegals are voting and they shouldn’t be voting,’’ he said.
“Nobody that I’ve talked to, regardless of political persuasion, can understand how a court can tell us that we can’t make sure that people who vote are citizens.’’
Horne said there was evidence presented when the case went to trial that illegal immigrants had registered to vote, some of that from the state’s two largest counties.
“Normally, the way they catch people is they get a jury summons and they swear under oath that they’re not citizens,’’ he said. “But they’re already registered to vote.’’
But MALDEF attorney Nina Perales said the evidence presented was that some people who are not citizens did, in fact, register to vote. But she said it would be wrong to call them “illegals.’’
“I know that some citizens in Arizona love to collapse those terms and make every legal permanent resident immigrant into a so-called illegal immigrant,’’ Perales said. “So if that’s what he told you — that there was evidence in this case that there were illegals registered to vote and voting — that is a falsehood.’’
Perales said there was testimony of “scattered incidents’’ of people who thought they were eligible to register to vote, did register and only found out later that they were not eligible.
Horne, however, said that in one year there were about 200 incidents reported of people who were not citizens having registered to vote. “And about 10 were prosecuted,’’ he said.
Horne said the problem is not so much caused by those not in the country illegally but by organizations like ACORN that have registration drives and pay people to sign people up to vote.
“Those people fool people into registering,’’ he said.
Horne linked the Department of Justice legal brief to other ongoing battles between Arizona and federal government.
He said the Obama administration, after failing to secure the border itself, went to court to block the state from enacting its own laws aimed at illegal immigration. And Horne cited recent comments by the president arguing that the border is safe, saying he is trying to “create a false sense of complacency.’’
And he said the latest court filing amounts to arguing that people should be able to register without providing information to prove citizenship, “thus enabling illegal aliens to register to vote.’’
Horne said there is no reason for the Obama administration to insert itself into the fight, other than for political reasons.
“What we are asking for is not burdensome at all,’’ he said.
Horne said 90 percent of Arizonans have a driver’s license or a state-issued ID card. Those cards are now recognized as proof of citizenship because there is a requirement to prove at least legal presence in this country.
The state’s voter registration forms require the number of those cards to be listed.
He also said all naturalized citizens have a certificate with a number of its own that also can be listed on the registration forms. And those who have neither can produce other documents, like a birth certificate.
“The burden is miniscule,’’ Horne said. And he said even the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized there are benefits in ensuring that only those legally entitled to vote are casting ballots.
The 2010 census data, the most recent available, shows there are about 4.7 million residents 18 and older. There is no breakdown by citizenship.
According to the Secretary of State’s Office, there were 3.1 million registered to vote last year. And of that, only about 1.7 million of them, or 55.6 percent, actually cast a ballot.
INSANITYENSUES posted at 7:06 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.
Um, LinMesa....You are delusional. First of all.....it's a free country BUT illegal aliens should NOT be allowed to vote. Illegals are NOT citizens. If there are questionable ways that some groups are signing up people to vote....that's a problem. All someone has to do is request a mail in ballot and never has to show ID again. Oh, and the only person making Obama look bad is.....Obama, lol. He's quite good at that....unfortunately, it's at OUR peril. But I guess we know which side of the kool aid cup you're drinking from.
samkat posted at 7:38 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.
Lin: You need to take the time to read the ID requirements. A picture ID is not required. All you have to do is to provide two utility bills. I have to show my ID everywhere else so what is wrong with showing it to vote whether it is to register for an absentee ballot or voting in person? Go to the bank and try to cash a check without picture ID. Yes, it is a free country and we hope to keep it that way.
Agent of Chaos posted at 8:17 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.
But MALDEF attorney Nina Perales said the evidence presented was that some people who are not citizens did, in fact, register to vote. But she said it would be wrong to call them “illegals.’’
Then what should we call them? Banana peels?
NothingButTheTruth posted at 10:18 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.
I think Slabside has you pegged, you are an ultra left moron or a pro illegal schmuck.
wdgnas posted at 4:59 am on Wed, Jun 8, 2011.
As proof, Horne pointed out that the Department of Justice did not file its friend of the court brief until just last week. That is nearly three years after the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund and others first challenged the law.
why didn't the bush 43 administration deal with this earlier? where was your outrage 3 years ago? call them all or call none of them.
Slabside posted at 11:15 am on Wed, Jun 8, 2011.
"why didn't the bush 43 administration deal with this earlier?"
Because Bush ignored the border problem too.
Now, back to the story here, why are you supporting Obozo wdgnas?
AmericanPatriot posted at 11:14 am on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.
wdgnas, since you had my comments deleted, it looks like you are an idiot talking to its self. So what do you want to do? How many presidents shall we go back to in order to justify calling the Obummer an open border, one world order, amnesty shill? That it isn't either political parties fault make you happier? Don't talk like an idiot and no one will call you on it. Oh and what about your retarded statement , "if only Russell Pearce would put as much effort into stopping employers from hiring illegal immigrants..." Didn't you know we were prevented from going after businesses until recently? Better informed now are we? lol
LinMesa, you are an idiot and always will be an idiot. Out of one side of your mouth you say this law is unimportant then from the other side you say it's all to make the Obummer look bad? Again, he needs no one to look bad. If it's all about nothing, why does the Obummer administration join the fight? Don't bother answering your own stupidity, just have the comment deleted as is your types style. Never met a libertard that didn't love censorship.
wdgnas posted at 4:27 am on Fri, Jun 10, 2011.
american patriot: settle down now. why would i have your comments deleted? you humor me. the legal arizona workers act was signed into law by governor napolitano in 2007, that's 3 plus years ago. it was upheld this year by the u.s. supreme court. you must be in grade school to not know that.
if only Russell Pearce would put as much effort into stopping employers from hiring illegal immigrants. maybe the chamber of commerce told russell pearce not to raise to big a stink about the legal arizona workers act of 2007. i don't think you understand, take away the incentive. or maybe you are blinded by the chamber of commerce?
NothingButTheTruth posted at 8:24 am on Fri, Jun 10, 2011.
wdgnas, you're the one who made the statement, "if only Russell Pearce would put as much effort into stopping employers from hiring illegal immigrants..." Personally, I don't think he's made all that much of an effort going after anyone, but your statement would suggest you had no knowledge of The Legal Arizona Workers Act having been stayed for 3 years until lately when the supreme court upheld it as constitutional. That is why you are being called retarded. American Patriot was correct.
constitutionfirst posted at 7:54 am on Sat, Jun 11, 2011.
In the state of Florida, anyone applying, correcting, renewing a Florida drivers license has to provide a picture ID (current license, out of state license) valid passport. Also a social security card. In addition 2 forms of id such as electric bill, phone bill, insurance policy, and others. Also all marriage licenses and divorce papers (this includes men) but this is especially targeted at women to show a name trail. I think it is only reasonable to provide this same documentation in order to vote. Illegals are here "illegally". Hense the name. Why should illegals be allowed to vote? Most don't pay taxes but instead put a heavy burden on the real US citizens for their welfare and medical coverage. Obama just wants to throw open our borders to any kind of riff raff so that he and the Dems can continue in office in order to take this country to be a Communist Socialist Marxist Muslim country. And Obama wants the position of Totalitarian - our dictator. By the way, how is that Hope and Change helped you? Oh yes, free food, free housing, free wifi, free phones, all kinds of jobs to choose from, free education, free gasoline, free healthcare. FREE FREE FREE. Who do you think is going to pay for all this. There aren't enough rich people in America to pay for all of it for all of us! We have to show identification for all kinds of activities. Why not show id to vote? Are you ashamed to show ID? Got fake ID? Obama doesn't care who you are just as long as you vote for him!
LO Cal posted at 8:05 am on Sat, Jun 11, 2011.
LinMesa... YOU are totally WRONG! You do net need ID to vote, you are asked your name they reference the list and that's it. There is no ID required to show at voting precients... You sound like a dumb Mexican! Attn Peralas is a racist Mexican cockroach! And Obama is a treasonous traiter to the U.S.! Voter laws need to be badly changed to keep ILLEGAL hispanics from voting PERIOD! Mandatory prison time... if it was up to me they would be hung or shot on the spot!
LadyXinCA posted at 8:23 am on Sat, Jun 11, 2011.
Anyone else note the irony of cases like this being heard by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals -- the same court to which Obama recently appointed Mary Murguia, sister of the CEO of La Raza, Janet Murguia? -- I wonder if she'll recuse herself... sure.
colpotter1776 posted at 3:52 pm on Sat, Jun 11, 2011.
Lat time I voted I was not asked for any ID! I wanted to show them that I was a US Citizen and they didn't even care to look at it....
Time to dump all the OPEN BORDERS CRAZIES and get back to the rule of law this country needs to enforce!
WhiteSpiritdogAz posted at 8:12 pm on Sat, Jun 11, 2011.
I am tired of people who seem to justify doing nothing now about illegals because Bush 43 didn't take care of this. This has accelerated since 1990 to the point that America will now be forever changed and the illegal immigration is out of control. I am screaming now because I am much more aware now than I was then. It is sort of like being slowly boiled in a pot of water, I know its warm but it is not uncomfortable, when it starts burning I will be screaming, like I am now. Congress's failure to effectively take incentive away from legal immigration is doing nothing but lowering everyone's standard of life and importing poverty. We have over a million children a year being born to illegals and 57% of them are on welfare and straining the crumbling infrastructure. This was a MUCH less stressful country when we had much less people in it.
Dgamer posted at 10:54 am on Sun, Jun 12, 2011.
[smile] Go A.G. Horne. The lastest Poll from Rasmussen:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/june_2011/75_support_showing_photo_id_at_the_polls
75% Support Showing Photo ID At The Polls
Many states are incorporating this photo I.D. As a United States Citizen I would want this. Who has the right to come in and vote? Also what if some foreign country pays people to sway a vote so they would win Politically for any ear marks that may come their way and/or Policies for business from Foreign countries. There is alot at risk here.
If they are not here legally they do not have the right to vote in our elections. This sitll is the United States of America. We need to protect our citizens for a fair and honest voting system.
Go A.G. Horner go!!!!
American Pride posted at 12:03 pm on Sun, Jun 12, 2011.
To allow illegal aliens to have a vote in our country is pur insanity! Obama won't need to grant them amnesty if they keep getting registered to vote... they'll just vote us out of our own country!
For those who don't believe that illegal aliens are registered to vote, I just spent a couple of days last week verifying signatures for the Pearce recall and what I saw was horrifying!!! We have many registered voters from Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc. here in Arizona. I wondered how many had to provide proof of citizenship to register but I know the answer... and it's NONE OF THEM!
Please do whatever you can to help support A.G. Horne in this fight. Our state and country are depending on us! (Facebook group - United for a Sovereign America)
AZ Native posted at 1:06 pm on Mon, Jun 13, 2011.
I don't believe a word of what Horne says....think for yourselves, sheeple!
AmericanPatriot posted at 6:58 pm on Mon, Jun 13, 2011.
If I were Obummer, I'd want all of the third world to vote in our elections. What's so unbelievable about that?
Slabside posted at 12:54 am on Tue, Jun 14, 2011.
AZ Native says: " I don't believe a word of what Horne says....think for yourselves, sheeple!".
What flavor of Kool- Aid do you drink AZ Native... Obama Orange, Pelosi Pink Lemonade or Biden Blueberry Cooler?
Trans posted at 6:23 pm on Wed, Jun 15, 2011.
What a bunch of stupid, ugly comments! Horne is deliberately stirring up stupid, ugly people - just like Pearce did with SB 1070. Think! "Obama wants illegals to vote". Only people who believe the president is a Kenyan/Indonesian born socialist/fascist muslim/radical black Christian who wants to turn our children into devil's spawn would believe a statement like that.
Masterrogue666 posted at 6:53 am on Thu, Jun 16, 2011.
"Perales said there was testimony of “scattered incidents’’ of people who thought they were eligible to register to vote, did register and only found out later that they were not eligible." -- I wonder just how "scattered" scattered is, by his definition.
As for "they thought they were eligible to vote". Come on, you CAN'T really believe that! Please come back to reality!!!!
CooperG posted at 8:53 pm on Fri, Jun 17, 2011.
Geez some of you people are gullible. Attempting to register to vote and actually being put on the rolls are two different things. Anyone can turn in a form, but that doesn't mean they were successful.
Tom Horne is just an idiot. He clearly hasn't spoken to any of the state's 15 county recorders, all of who will be delighted to tell you what he's claiming has not happened. Heck, I'd be happy if some curious REPORTER would bother to call them up and ask. Makes you wonder what the editors at this newspaper think.
This is fear-mongering nonsense with zero basis in reality. May Horne should be prosecuted under that law that prohibits public officials from stating things as fact that they know are not true.
swartswoodron posted at 3:04 pm on Sat, Jun 18, 2011.
If, Obama wants the illegal immigrants to vote in Arizona, they best better come to this country legally, and not sneak in our country. Obama ought to mind his business about Arizona's law about illegal immigrants. The whole country needs to take after Arizona and what needs to be done to make it illegal for illegal immigrants to be in this country. Obama, you won't be in office in 2012.
AmericanPatriot posted at 10:24 am on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.
CooperG, I called all 15 county recorders and they all say you're an idiot.
AmericanPatriot posted at 10:37 am on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.
New Mexico Secretary of State Dianna Duran has turned over a staggering 64,000 cases of possible voter fraud to the state Department of Public Safety for investigation.
That’s more than 10 percent of the 607,000 people who voted in the 2010 general election in the state, the Santa Fe New Mexican points out.
At a legislative hearing earlier this year, Duran said 117 foreign nationals had managed to register to vote, and at least 37 of them actually did cast ballots in the election.
She cited the figures while testifying in support of a bill that would have required voters to show photo identification at polling stations.
Masterrogue666 posted at 6:16 pm on Wed, Jun 22, 2011.
I makes sense to me that since only an AMERICAN citizen is allowed to vote, then one should have to prove they are an American citizen before being allowed to vote. Anyone else that doesn't agree with such a logical, reasonable point is either moronic, or wants those that are not American citizens the ability to vote.
Pansie posted at 2:17 pm on Thu, Jun 30, 2011.
Just like the ARROGANT LAWYER THAT HE IS - OBAMA THINKS that he can JUST CHANGE THE LAW TO SUIT HIM whenever he wants. WHAT is the LAW TODAY regarding VOTING, ANY VOTING in the WHOLE COUNTRY? WHEN did ILLEGAL anything get the SAME RIGHTS as those people that live by the LAWS? THIS from the man that cannot even PRODUCE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE of BIRTH and yet you all voted him in. WHINE, WHINE. ILLEGAL means just that, they are NOT part of the system so they are NOT allowed to vote, HOW MUCH SIMPLER CAN IT BE. Here is a thought - how about Obama go to France or Greece or Africa and TRY TO VOTE without becoming a citizen of the country. I wanna see what will happen.
sethjoel posted at 4:56 pm on Sun, Jul 10, 2011.
I don't know where most of you are from but it seems as though most of the people that are against calling illegals.....illegal are not from border states. If you live in Minnesota, Ohio, Montana or somewhere where you don't have 1/2 million of these people coming into your state each year, or the drug cartel's drugs and murders spilling into your states you just need to be quiet. We in the southwest will gladly ship you bus load after bus load of these people if it will make you happy. Open up your borders and open up your arms for hugs for these people.
jimz posted at 12:05 pm on Fri, Jul 22, 2011.
LinMesa, i don't know who you are or what you are but your a complete IDIOT. You must be one of the ILLEGALS
rdwriter posted at 1:00 am on Wed, Aug 24, 2011.
I don't get it...The Governor of Arizona, Sheriff Joe Apaio, other county Sheriff's included and the Attorney General of our great state are fighting with mite to keep illegal immigrants from entering our State. Now, the President sometime ago, offered minimum military support...and now...President Obama wants illegal immigrants who don't have felony records stay in the country; isn't that swell, when we can't pay 'trillions,' and 'fourteen million Americans' are unemployed . Where the 'hell' do the Mexican immigrants find work? Are they going to be on some 'refugee program?' They will receive monthly food stamp and medical benefits, free housing and perhaps income...yeah right...why not! We will simply pay more taxes and President Obama will raise 'the debt ceiling' one more time with a 'blank check.' Well, if immigrants enter 'illegally,' aren't they breaking the law in the first place?
Now, what about people trying to acquire 'citizenship' from other countries? Do they continue to pay for 'visa's, influenza shots etc. What happens to citizen classes? Well, maybe President Obama should take another extended vacation into Mexico until 2012 so we can elect an ' illegal immigrant' for President. Wouldn't that be something when the 'illegal immigrant' produces a 'birth certificate' in his/her 1st 100 days in office. It took President Obama two-years.[wink][wink][wink] Well, I suppose Congress, Senators and 'pick on me' Obama need all the votes they can get. By the way, I love Bill O'Relly's placecard on his news broadcast, listing issues in our country under the heading:
'President Obama's on Vacation.'
Lynnda37 posted at 8:17 pm on Fri, Aug 26, 2011.
more Repiblican bullcrap can they come up with anytime they have caught someone voting that is not suppose to Voter fraud is almost a non issue
Out of the tiny number of bona fide voter fraud cases, the great majority fall into two categories. The first are cases where workers hired in voter registration drives appear to sign up non-existent people to get paid more money from the sponsors of the drive. The actual examples of this are exceedingly rare. But since the people don't exist, no one ever shows up to vote in their name.
The second are felons or parolees who either register to vote or actually vote, in most cases not knowing they're not eligible to vote
mlimberg posted at 5:34 am on Sat, Aug 27, 2011.
I wonder what Country Obama will retire too, once his term is up in 2013? GOD knows he will never be allowed to live in the USA again....
Col posted at 11:10 pm on Sat, Sep 3, 2011.
Lin Mesa You are right, this is a free country, however that is the only thing you said that is right. I don't know where you get your wild ideas, but wild they are as well as being wrong. If a person comes across our border without the proper paper work, they do it illegally. That makes them criminals.They only thing they have a right to in this country is to breath. That's it. We don't owe them a thing.They might have rights in their country but not in this one. I would love to see what would happen if one of us tried to cross into another country illegally. We would be thrown in prison with no trial. At the begining of your post, you said someone is just showing their ignorance. Who are you referring to. If you mean Obama, that's another thing you said, that I will have to agree with. You made the comment that no one can get a ballot to vote without a picture ID. Where have you been for since Al Gore and another die hard dem John Kerry and Obama ran for president? That was one of the biggest complaints that true Americans had. People were not made to show any form of ID. It is still one of the big complaints. I think you might want to read this article again. There are certain people that are not ellegible to vote in this country. That would be illigal aliens, felons and dead people. Whoever is allowing them to vote with no form of ID are commenting a crime. I believe that it is also a crime for a candidate that is running for office to pay people to vote for you. When Obama ran for president in 2008, he was guilty of allowing felons and dead people and he paid for for votes. By dead people, I mean someone using a dead persons name to vote. Now we are coming up to an election for the presidency in 2012. Obama is already trying to make sure that he gets the votes to win again. He is doing that by letting illegals cross the border and stay in this country only because he wants to get them to vote for him. Well, he has plenty of money to pay them. He got some big bucks from a lot of rich people, mostly shady rich people. Once election day is over, he won't give a rats behind what happens to all those illegals he allowed to come here even though it is against the law. Obama thinks he is above the law. He thinks he can do what ever he wants without going by the laws of this country. He ignores our constitution on which this country was established. It has been good enough for all the rest of us, but he thinks he can change it to suit his needs. So far, he's been allowed to get away with it. The main reason, is because he is half black. Sorry, that does not make me a racist but it is true. The hard working tax paying citizens of this country are getting fed up with the way is running this country. We are tired of having to pay the expenses of illegals who won't even try to learn the language. All they do is sit on their butts or lay around all day making babies that our legal hard working tax paying citizens will have to support. Just because their child is born in this country, thanks to Obama's infinite wisdom, makes the parents legal. That's why they are having so many babies. We also have to pay for their medical care which they get free. We have legal citizens who barely make enough money to survive that don't get free medical care or anything free. They barely make enough money to get by. They are on a fixed income. They can';t afford to pay for anything extra. There are a lot of those elders that have to choose between eating or paying for their medication. We have children in this country that go to bed hungry every night. A lot don't have a coat to wear in the winter. Some of our northern elders freeze to death in the winter because they can't affort heat.
Now, would you like to tell me why you think Obama is so great? I would love to know how a man who supposed to be the leader of this great country can justify the crazy, illegal, shady and sneaky, un American, things he has done. He can't justify it. Just like he can't justify presenting an illegal birth certificate. The man is not even eligible to be president of this country. How can you and others defend this man? He is a danger to this country. His aim is to destroy the USA. If people like you who defend him and plan to vote for him again, will be just as guilty as he is. If you want to live under muslim law get the hell out of this country and move to the middle east and take all the illegals and Obama with you.
By the way, the Republican's don't have to lift a finger to make Obama look bad. He is quite capable of doing that all by himself. He's been doing it even before he won the election. I'm wondering how you like the changes he has made. If I were you, in the future, I would be a little more careful about who you support and vote for. Also, remember that the grass is not always greener on the other side.
WTFover posted at 1:52 pm on Tue, Sep 6, 2011.
"The Republicans spend most of their time trying to make President Obama look bad"... Are you kidding?? O-boy doesn't need any help looking bad.
samkat posted at 8:58 pm on Fri, Sep 9, 2011.
lynnda: I suppose you can back up your assertions with facts. My beef with the liberals is that they are so politically correct that they do not want to offend anyone. Now, are you one of those far left liberals? I have been a registered democrat for over 50 years and I am against illegal immigration and for tougher laws and enforcement.
Now, one of my personal peeves is the fact that all citizens and legal residents attend English speaking schools. Now, since legal residents cannot vote as non citizens; and, all applicants for citizenship must be able to speak, read, write and understand the English language, why must all voting ballots be printed in Spanish as well as English. The feds do not require this for all other nationalities.
As to the voting stations and positive ID, let me relate my own personal experience. My wife and I went to the gym and then stopped by to vote. All my wife had was her dependent Department of Defense ID card which is a form of positive picture ID on the list. The only thing it lacks is the local address but it is on the list of acceptable identification. The lady refused to accept it so we went home and just to push the system, I collected two utility bills. We went back and all I presented this time was the utility bills with no picture ID. I was allowed to vote. Now, since illegals obtain utility services every day and many do not even speak English, what is to say they cannot register to vote using the fraudulent or stolen identities they obtain so easily?
Joseph P posted at 12:43 pm on Sun, Sep 11, 2011.
if he can get the dead to vote for him why are some saying he can't get the illegals to vote, it's proven peolpe at the voting places have most of the control whom votes, legal or not
bobunf posted at 12:51 am on Wed, Sep 14, 2011.
To add just a tiny bit of perspective to these comments:
The total number of illegal aliens convicted of voting in any US election in the last 235 years is - - ZERO.
Isn't it possible that this is not the republic's biggest problem?
Isn't it possible (probable, maybe a certainty) that all the effort to make voting more difficult is because those who will be dis proportionally discouraged are those who wouldn't vote for the making voting more difficult.
Non-citizen voting is a problem of ridiculously trivial proportions. That's the objective truth. But nobody wants to say that the real problem is too many undesirables voting so we get fear mongering.
The whole thing is based on hysteria and completely baseless fears.
NoreenD posted at 11:41 pm on Sun, Oct 9, 2011.
Most of the comments here seem to be left vs right, progressive v. conservative arguments. With all the comments I've read so far, I haven't seen this issue addressed. Now, an illegal citizen will be able to take the place of a legal American citizen in college. That in itself should be illegal. Why is this man who is our "President" taking it upon himself to make these changes? What is his agenda now? I wish I knew. I don't understand his form of government. It's not like anything I ever studied in American History.
akpg posted at 5:58 pm on Sun, Nov 6, 2011.
I do not understand what the problem is! NO ONE CAN VOTE IF THEY ARE NOT A CITIZEN. Legal & Illegal aliens are not eligible to vote. If we want to use drivers license as proof of citizenship the license should state the person is a citizen or a legal resident, or for that matter illegal alien.[sad]
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