Obama, Romney clash on economy in first debate
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Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama wave to the audience during the first presidential debate at the University of Denver, Wednesday, Oct. 3, 2012, in Denver. (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall)
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Slabside posted at 11:46 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.
The real Obama was shown for what he is... AN EMPTY SUIT. Even Bill Mahr tweeted that Obummer needed a teleprompter and he made Romney look more appealing. It's all over for the charlatan in the WH!!! [beam][beam][beam][beam]
loose stool posted at 3:08 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
Romney made obama look really bad, he dominated and kick some but.
Cerulean posted at 7:14 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
“Romney claimed a new board established by the Affordable Care Act is “going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” Not true. The board only recommends cost-saving measures for Medicare, and is legally forbidden to ration care or reduce benefits. “ FactCheck.org
This board is one of the best ideas Affordable Health has for lowering the cost of healthcare. Shame on candidate Romney.
Arizona Willie posted at 7:17 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
I felt like Obama didn't want the job anymore.
It was like he had lost all interest and would be quite happy to walk away and let the Republicans have it so they could stew in their own mess.
He was physically present but that is all.
Cerulean posted at 7:34 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
I tend to agree with you Arizona Willie. I believe that in the up coming debates that perception will change, I hope it does.
“Romney again promised to “not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans” and also to “lower taxes on middle-income families,” but didn’t say how he could possibly accomplish that without also increasing the deficit.” FactCheck.org
Candidate Romney plays around with the idea that HE (note that congress has no role) will cut incentives to large corporations (taxes). And, he will end funding to PBS (big bird), low cost government loans for education, etc. If Romney is going to INCREASE SPENDING for the military (why?), how is Big Bird going to pay for that?
delluser posted at 8:14 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
Chris Matthews Freaks Out At Obama: "What Was He Doing?"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/chris_matthews_freaks_out_at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html
Accuracy posted at 8:32 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
The consensus is, President Obama’s challenger for the White House, Mitt Romney solidly won the debate Wednesday night at the University of Denver.
The debate focused on domestic policy as the candidates answered questions and drew stark differences in their visions for health care, entitlements, taxes, deficits and job creation. President Obama was on the defensive, and Romney was very assertive in challenging his past and present policies.
They met face to face . . . but Obama hardly looked at Romney. Instead, Obama kept looking down the whole time and showed how he was helpless and lacking without the Teleprompter.
This victory for Romney will have a big impact on the presidential race.
Cerulean posted at 11:02 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
Romney did not “win” the debates, he talked louder, he was more aggressive, but he did not win. Unless, of course, you are talking about who was the most obnoxious.
The consensus is that President Obama could have done better.
I think he was testing the water, so to speak.
gilbertgrandma posted at 12:11 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
Cerulean, you can keep denying it, but Romney knocked it out of the park last night! Obama didn't even show up and was absolutely nothing without his teleprompter. I'm sure he'll improve in the next debate, but honestly, he has nothing to run on and that showed last night. The Ryan-Biden debate should be even more interesting.
Cerulean posted at 12:43 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
"knocked it out of the park" with a bat of lies.
Another tall tale Candidate Romney said that the Obama administration put $90 billion into green jobs and that half of the companies have “gone out of business”.
I think Romney was referring to his own business experience, not the green jobs initiative. The majority of the green energy projects are up and running. In fact the city of Mesa is using some of the money to extend the light rail a few miles.
Romney’s campaign later came clean and said that Romney made a mistake, that he was solely referring to the Energy Department’s 1705 loan program, which provides about $16.1 billion to clean-energy companies. Even with the correction his statement is still NOT TRUE. Only three of thirty three of these companies have declared bankruptcy.
Slabside posted at 1:06 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
Sorry Cerulean, gilbertgrandma is 100% right and you are wrong. Obama's true self was on display in the debate. He has no leadership abilities at all and it showed. Romney outperformed him at every turn. Romney was not loud he was professional. He had answers whereas Obama just placed blame.
You are such an Obamabot complete with blinders. Many of us here can see it plain as day but you would follow Obama even if he came out on stage wearing a Nazi uniform. Please pull your head out of the sand.
DonMey posted at 1:27 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
I listened to the debate rather than watched it; while I agree Romney did better, I wouldn't say Obama did a bad job like many are saying.
Cerulean posted at 2:59 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
Romney’s numbers don’t add up! ! Romney is promising to cut taxes and increase defense spending while also balancing the budget. How does he get there?
Killing Big Bird is not going to make it happen.
Slabside posted at 3:24 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
Romney suggested an option of limiting deductions to pay for his across-the-board income tax cut. Romney should have announced this sooner. Almost every itemized deduction in the income tax code stinks, This policy would significantly reduce the value of such deductions.
Romney's proposal helps to show why the complaint that 47 percent of households pay no federal income tax is a red herring. Romney's plan would greatly expand the income tax base without at all reducing the number of filers whose liability is $0. Mostly it would operate by raising the taxable income of people near the top of the income scale -- because that's where the money is.
Mitt gave a concrete response to the Obama campaign attack that he wants to raise taxes on the middle class. This policy would hold almost every taxpayer making less than $200,000 a year harmless from tax increases.If tax rates are cut by 20 percent across the board, as Romney also proposes, you would have to face a 25 percent increase in your taxable income to get hit with a tax increase.
Cerulean posted at 3:31 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
Candidate Romney said, “Yes, there are two choices: what you got now, or what I'll give you. And promises are easier to sell than actualities—particularly when they are not bound by facts.”
Promises are easier to sell than actualities – particularly when they are not bound by facts.
Haddie Nuff posted at 3:46 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
Suggest you go to Factcheck.org and/or Politifact.com. Romney, as usual, lied throughout the entire debate. I would like to have seen Obama call him out on it, but being confrontational and calling his opponent a liar, isn't really Obama's style.
Hopefully, he'll develop some pushback by the next debate. It really isn't a good thing for anyone to allow those kinds of untruths to go unchallenged.
As for a game changer, I don't think so. There are very few undecided people left out there.
Slabside posted at 3:47 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
Really Cerulean? Let's look at Obama's broken campaign promises shall we?
No Super PACs
Closing Gitmo
Goodbye Bush Tax Cuts
Get Cap-And-Trade Passed
No New Taxes For Families Making Under $250,000
Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners
Allow imported prescription drugs
Bring Democrats and Republicans together to pass an agenda
I know, I know... it's all Bush's fault.
Slabside posted at 4:02 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
This just in: Al Gore says the Denver altitude (air) is what made Obama look weak. I've heard it all now! [beam][beam][beam][beam]
Slabside posted at 10:37 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.
And the Obama_tards are strangely quiet.
CSalafia posted at 8:23 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.
If telling 28 verifiable falsehoods in 30 minutes, as Romney did, including at least 3 "pants on fire" rated lies is what some of you call "Winning"....
....you seriously need to raise your standards.
Slabside posted at 9:59 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.
Obama's #1 suck up says: "....you seriously need to raise your standards."
No, you voted for the worst president since Carter. It's your standards that need improvement.
CSalafia posted at 12:20 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.
I'm sorry, I don't take anything birthers say seriously... and neither does anyone who is sane.
Slabside posted at 12:37 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.
You voted Obama. You're far from sane.
DrJCA1 posted at 2:25 pm on Wed, Oct 17, 2012.
The sad fact is that no one will fix anything in this country. We have gone from a nation of hard-working, individualistic, ethical Americans to a group of hundreds of special interest factions that vote emotionally, not intelligently. Half of our country is on some sort of government handout program. How long before we actually go belly-up? No nation can keep a trillion-dollar a year deficit forever. There are too many Americans who walk around with their hand held out, waiting for their free stuff and money. Since politicians do whatever necessary to get re-elected, they will not rock the boat or tick off their constituants. Since the 300+ million of us can't agree on anything, nohting will ever get done. I don't care too much since I'm old and affluent enough to take care of myself and my family. I do feel bad for the future generations however.