Arizona would claim the right to determine citizenship of those born here under the terms of legislation being introduced today.
The proposal, being unveiled in Washington, would have each state — and not the federal government — define citizenship. More to the point, citizenship would be available only to those born in the state who had at least one parent who already is a citizen or is at least a permanent legal resident.
And to make the state determination of citizenship work, the law would be backed by an compact where all participating states agree to differentiate between birth certificates issued to those who are determined under the new standard to be citizens and those who are not.
Senate President-elect Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, who is working with counterparts across the nation, said he envisions the Arizona Department of Health Services being required to issue two different types of birth certificates. One would spell out the newborn is a citizen, the other saying that the certificate shows only birth, not citizenship.
It would be up to the parents to produce proof of citizenship or permanent residency to get one of the first kind of birth certificates. No proof means a birth certificate that does not confer citizenship on the child.
Pearce said the idea is to reclaim the original intent behind the 14th Amendment. He said the measure, enacted after the Civil War, was never meant to give citizenship rights to children born to people who entered this country illegally.
But Pearce said that even if the proposal becomes law in Arizona and elsewhere, that is just the beginning of the battle.
“What we’re looking for is a (U.S.) Supreme Court fight,’’ he said, one that will reverse earlier court rulings.
That fight is likely to take the form of a lawsuit filed on behalf of a child born in Arizona who has been denied a full-citizenship birth certificate. Pearce, however, said he is confident that a majority of the current Supreme Court will agree with his argument that the states, as sovereign entities who formed the federal government, get to determine citizenship.
“This is a concept we have lost across the nation,’’ he said.
Pearce will not be at today’s press conference, remaining in Arizona to work on the upcoming legislative session. But two other Arizona GOP lawmakers who support the plan will be in attendance: Rep. John Kavanagh of Fountain Hills and Sen. Ron Gould of Lake Havasu City.
Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix, a foe of the measure, said the right of states is solely to determine who is a resident. That, she said, governs things like how long someone has to live there to be able to vote.
Citizenship, said Sinema, is decided at a national level.
Today’s introduction of draft legislation will formally kick off the debate over what have been called by some “anchor babies.’’ Supporters of the change in the law say these children of illegal immigrants, by virtue of their own citizenship, then get rights to sponsor others for citizenship.
“We’re not denying anything to anybody,’’ Pearce said, since they did not have a right to citizenship in the first place.
“It’s like telling me I’m denying you transportation because you can’t steal my car,’’ he said. “It’s not your car.’’
Pearce said those who pushed the 14th Amendment said it was designed to overrule the 1857 Dred Scott decision wherein the U.S. Supreme Court declared that all blacks, both slave and free, could never become citizens of the United States.
“It was a terrible decision,’’ Pearce said. “It did not recognize African-Americans as real people, as humans.’’
He said illegal immigrants were never considered an issue.
“There were no illegal immigrants at the time,’’ he said.
But Pearce said a series of court decisions weakened the original intent. One occurred as far back as 1898, when the high court said the U.S.-born child of Chinese immigrants who were not citizens was entitled to citizenship.
That, he said, makes no sense.
“It’s against the law to enter, it’s against the law to remain,’’ Pearce said. “Yet we’ve created one of the greatest inducements for you to break our laws, and that’s a declaration of citizenship where you’re entitled to all the benefits.’’
As backing for his argument, Pearce pointed out the 14th Amendment makes citizenship automatic for those who are born in this country and “subject to the jurisdiction’’ of the United States.
Sinema, however, said that proves her argument.
She said the only foreigners not subject to the jurisdiction of this country are diplomats who have immunity from U.S. laws. Sinema said that is why a child born to a foreign diplomat does not get U.S. citizenship.
Conversely, Sinema said foreign residents who commit crimes are subject to state and federal laws.
Pearce acknowledged the 14th Amendment specifically gives Congress the right to enact laws to define and refine exactly what the amendment says. Congressional action would eliminate the need for each state to enact laws. And it also likely would short-circuit the need for a protracted legal fight.
But he doesn’t see that as a realistic alternative.
“How long are we going to wait on Congress?’’ Pearce said.
“It’s been misapplied for 100 years,’’ he continued. “Should we wait another 100 years?’’
Pearce said his views against what said amounts to citizenship by GPS location of birth were recognized even after that 1989 Supreme Court ruling. Native Americans, he said, were not considered citizens until congressional action in the 20th century despite the fact it was clear they were born within the boundaries of the United States.
Sinema, however, said that proves nothing.
“What it proves is, at that time, American Indians were not considered people,’’ she said. “They had no legal status.’’
soricobob posted at 6:10 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Not for nothing, but lets say Pearce wakes up on the wrong side of the bed, and that happens to be the day the new legislation is discussed, and lets say he decides to leave out all people of Italian heritage from the accepted list: and the legislature buys it. Does that mean all those individuals have to move out-of-state? I don't want to draw comparisons between 1930's Germany and 2011 America, but!
DataMan posted at 7:14 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Oh Great. Another expensive lawsuit that AZ will lose. And it will up AZ's image as a backward state filled with loonies.
KMA367 posted at 7:29 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
soricobob, I miss the logic in your statement. The proposal refers to people in general and has nothing to do with ethnicity. Being born of a mother who illegally entered the country who has the status of a criminal with unlawful residency should not confer automatic citizenship to the offspring. That was never the intent of the law. It has been mis-applied allowing illegal aliens a loop hole to become citizens without going through the normal process we impose on everyone else.
This loop hole has been grossly unfair and a slap in the face to those other immigrants who follow the law and apply for citizensip.
As far as states determining citizenship, I would rather see the feds enact legislation clarifing the issue once and for all.
DataMan posted at 8:08 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
KMA, if you read the 14th, by the fact that you yourself claims the mother is an "illegal", actually PROVES they are under the jurisdiction of the US, and therefore, the child is legal! The exception is for diplomats, who, by their position, have diplomatic immunity, and are therefore NOT under the jurisdiction of the US!
geekette posted at 8:15 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Grandstanding, while there is so much work to be done. This legislation has no chance of passing in Congress because it brings up too many problems. What would happen if did pass? There would be a veritable quilt of rules, so that a person could be a citizen in one state and not in another. What happens to a child who does not have US citizenship? Do they get the citizenship from their parents? What if the parents are from different countries? What if their country does not recognize the legislation and refuses to grant citizenship to the kid? On a more local level, you don't need to be a citizen to enroll in school. So the kids of illegals would still be registered in our public schools. Just like they are now. Emergency rooms don't check for citizenship, so nothing will change there. So what's the point? To distract from solving real problems? To create frivolous lawsuits? To pretend to be doing something? Gentlemen, cut out the nonsense and get to work on getting jobs back into the state.
Dale Whiting posted at 8:41 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
“Pundit (plural pundits)
1. A learned Hindu, a scholar, especially having knowledge of Sanskrit, philosophy, religion and law.
2. A scholar, teacher, master of an art, or learned person.
3.. A professed expert in a particular field, as called upon to provide comment or opinion in the media.”
(Wikipedia)
When addressing so called "political pundits," neither the first nor second definitions would apply. Political pundits typically are self-professed experts on politics who comment and opine on political topics from their own limited understanding.
In short, Pearce is wrong and Simema is correct. While this legislation might reach the Supreme Court on appeals from lower courts, it would loose there. Presently the question regarding gate keeping at the Supreme Court is “Will any of the various lower Circuit Courts not find this legislation unconstitutional, leading to a split between the lower courts requiring guidance from on high?”
Most of those who have commented above appear to be getting the picture. However many of those who typically do chime in on this topic have yet to comment and are little more than political pundits. They’ll offer their opinion on the politics of the day, herein the subject of the 14th Amendment and Citizenship, but nothing more profound.
Typically none will identified themselves as having any scholarship, mastery or learning on the topic of the Constitution or that body of law known as Constitutional Law, the determination of what the Constitution means. And Senator Pearce’s use of a rather hackneyed phrase, “original intent,” only serves to demonstrate his ignorance, rather than scholarship. No professor of the law or justice in any appeals or supreme court gives much credence to that phrase anymore, having come to the realization that the original intent of politicians as well as of the Founding Fathers was to compromise and leave the details ambiguous so as to reach some consensus and get the law passed.
In rebuttal, calling scholars “elitists,” as well as accusing them of “condescension” only serves to display the pundit’s frustration at not having studied these topics themselves in a well disciplined manner. Therefore, any attempt at rendering any scholarly explanation of why Senator Pearce is wrong would be an absolute waste of time as well as a pointless undertaking.
Those who would like to learn, who want to avoid being lead down that path of darkness by pundits and politicians, may ask and have light and understanding given to them. My web site, one which I do not frequently check, but will start checking more frequently now, is rnwhiting@yahoo.com.
Pundits, please keep your distance. Otherwise, understand that from your own return e-mail address you will be exposed and made to look even more foolish. No sense in allowing scholars to descend to your level of misunderstanding where that descent to your realm appears to you to be condescension!
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viborafan posted at 8:45 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
A....freaking...MEN!
rrffcc1 posted at 9:04 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
So, PEARCE gets to decide? Others similar to him?Letting the States decide means it's a POLITICAL approach rather than a legal or logical determination?
Have we really fallen so far as that? The Founders must be spinning in their graves.
Makes a person begin to wonder if the Freedom of Speech provision has been stretched just a bit too far...the concept of State's Rights certainly has.
Derwood posted at 9:21 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Russel Pearce got his his history wrong. The 14th amendment covered all people born in the US regardless parental status. During the ratification debate in the senate John Conness actually argued for children of Chinese immigrants to be given citizenship. That is why the Citizenship Clause was adopted as written.
Reverdy Johnson said in the same debate: "If there are to be citizens of the United States entitled everywhere to the character of citizens of the United States, there should be some certain definition of what citizenship is, what has created the character of citizen as between himself and the United States, and the amendment says citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born of parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause
DataMan posted at 11:08 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Every time I see a picture of Pearce wearing parts of the stars and stripes, it makes me want to barf.
LinMesa posted at 11:11 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
The southern states seceded from the union because they did not like the federal government telling them what to do. Is this what Pearce is proposing?
"white separatist
One who advocates the creation of a society in which whites live separately from other races or from which nonwhite races are excluded."
This certainly seems to be what he wants.
Rich posted at 11:15 am on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Why doesn't Pearce just come out and admit he can't handle the job rather than resort to these silly smoke and mirror diversions? This one is so laughably unConstitutional it's welfare for lawyers. He needs to take off the clown make-up, roll up his sleeves and get to work.
Dale Whiting posted at 12:06 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Well, am I surprised. Most of the above commenters are getting the light, too. Senator Pearce, perhaps your position as the sponsor of SB1070 is not as strong as you once believed?
Tribune Staff:
Why not take a poll on whether we agree or disagree with Pearce trying to pass this legislation?
EmperorSmith posted at 12:40 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
It is to bring this issue to the nations attention, who cares about debt and deficits I don't really care spend all the money you want. I'm not going to pay for it.
rrjenn posted at 12:44 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
lol whimper whine whimper whine is all you people ever do when the illegal aliens aren't afforded citizen status. It's going to be the law of the land soon, but don't ever stop whimpering cause it is so amusing to read. lol Dale thinks a poll of whimper whiners will stop the inevitable? Now that is the stupidest thing he ever wrote here and that says a lot considering all the dumb things he's put in print. LinMesa never lost an opportunity to call White men racist even though the law effects all illegal aliens, even the White ones which most Mexicans consider themselves to be. Some of their leaders try hard to convince them that they're really brown though. It's all White or them right LinMesa? These illegal aliens are not going to be allowed to sneak into our country to produce anchor babies anymore. Why would any American not want this? Is it a political desire because you are racist Latinos who want America to be a Racist Latino country? Tell us why you so obviously hate the idea of refusing citizenship to people who sneak into America just before giving birth to their babies. If they were all European Whites would you really fight for their rights so hard? I know the truth that you wont say. You wont say it because it outs you all for the racists that you are. Pearce isn't the racist here folks, but there are several here who are.
rrjenn posted at 12:51 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
DataMan, don't whine about the cost of a new lawsuit. We will be paying for this fight the same way we are paying for the SB1070 fight, with donations from true patriots. Fell free to give donations for the other side if you like to throw money away.
azrepublican posted at 1:04 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
“It’s like telling me I’m denying you transportation because you can’t steal my car,’’ he said. “It’s not your car.’’
Well put Senator Pearce. The lawmakers that enacted this amendment to the constitution never even considered that this law would one day be used by illegal aliens to give them legal status in a country they are criminals in the moment they stepped into the country. In fact there weren't millions of people wanting to come here so desperately. rrjenn makes a good point when he asks why people are so upset over the Senator's proposal. Why are you all so upset? Is it just because you hate Pearce, or is it due to the nationality of the bulk of the people affected by it? I suspect a little of both.
percivale posted at 1:35 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
I am foreign born and citizen of the USA for 40 years Before coming to America I live in a Country that was run by a fascist dictator , today I see the winds of hate blowing into our beloved USA ; people like mr Pearce and Ms. Brewer are the carriers just by looking at their faces you see it . For people that read history will know that Fascist or leftist dictatorship start by dividing the country people and if we are not carefull we will find ourselves in that predicament . to the people that are citizens by birth remember you born here because your parents live here I am Amreican citizen by choice and that make me proud and understanding of something many people is not aware RESPECT TOWARD EACH OTHER IDEA OR OPINION that make this country great and free people with an idea of UNITY and LOVE toward each other.
rrjenn posted at 1:55 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
"Pearce and Ms. Brewer are the carriers just by looking at their faces you see it." Really percivale, you can tell they are fascists just by looking at their faces? You must see fascists everywhere cause all over the country people are waking up to this illegal alien problem and getting ready to pass laws to stop it. Lawmakers in at least 14 states have said they are committed to passing the legislation targeting birthright citizenship. Arizona’s anti-illegal-immigrant bill, SB-1070, was also based on model legislation that could be easily copied by states, and at least seven states are likely to pass bills similar to the first Arizona immigration overhaul this year, according to one analysis by an immigrants rights group. Lawmakers in Alabama, Arizona, Delaware, Idaho, Indiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas and Utah have said they want to introduce similar legislation this year. percivale, were you legally naturalized or given citizenship as a result of stealing into our country? If you came legally, I would think you would have more pride in your citizenship than to think only a fascist would want our immigration laws to be given over to criminals. That seems to be the best argument all of you have against anti-illegal laws. Not everyone who wants this outrageous illegal alien problem solved with laws making it disincentive to come here illegally is a racist or fascist.
hillstreet posted at 2:16 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Is great to be a right wing wacko and abuse your power when you are, well, in power. Do keep in mind there are elections every 4 years. Don't complain when the left wing wackos are in power. Extremism and intolerance know no party.
"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. "
Pastor Martin Niemoller, a german citizen in the Third Reich
EmperorSmith posted at 2:18 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
percivale, spoke of left and right. I hear what he says
LinMesa posted at 2:48 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
rrjenn, Growing up in the south in the 40's and 50's I know racism when I see it. As a Christian, I believe truly that God created all men and loves them all the same. He doesn't care what color they are. I also believe the Bible is His word and in the Bible He tells us all how He wants us to live. The things that Jan Brewer, Joe Arpaio, Russell Pearce and many others are doing I don't believe would be considered Christian actions. They are just too hateful.
As for Russell Pearce using "breaking the law" as an excuse to keep them out, well that's just about hypocritical as it gets. He's never paid the price for all the laws he has broken.
I don't care about a person's color. Everyone should be treated with respect, dignity and love. If that is what you consider racist, then color me racist.
Slabside posted at 3:15 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Russell Pearce I support you 110%! The 14th Amendment has been abused way too long and I am proud you have the huevos to doo something about it. The Feds have proved that they don't care. Thank you!
Richka posted at 3:24 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Someone needs to speak out on behalf of the american citizens. Don't know the man, but he is representing the vast majority of americans.
I never realized that so many people don't understand the definition of the word "illegal". Another amazing thing is that illegals are marching through our streets DEMANDING their rights.
Maybe I'll try something "illegal" and see how far that gets me.
EmperorSmith posted at 3:59 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
no offense but put your words in to action. er start by taking back Veko Valley
Rich posted at 6:23 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
10% unemployment, deficit in the governmental budgets, people losing their homes to foreclosure right and left, and you've got people actually buying the misdirection. Even if they are dead right on, now is not the time. They have other things to fix first, And right now this has only one purpose, to divert enough of you from the simple fact that they can't handle the job, and all they really want to do is pick your pocket. You're pigeons, and you've already been conned.
Dale Whiting posted at 6:33 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Ok, the review of the above comments I just gave was cursory. So if I put anyone's comment into this general category wrongly, please accept my oppology. We all are missing the point. Here is how and why.
Turns out that the Tribune Article omits a very crutial point. Accorting to the Channel 12 News, and they taped the person saying this, the drafter of the bill maintains that it is not a challenge to the 14th amendment. Here again, both pundit and news reporters are wrong.
Supposededly, the bill creates two classes citizenship. Those born to at least one Citizen Parent whose parent or parents prove their citizenship are given a birth certificate saying that they are Arizona Citizens, the new class of citizen. Those whose parents do not show proof are given a non-descript birth certificate.
This makes sense. States do get to decide what their residency requirements are. And here AZ is acting to do a bit more. Should not present a problem. But where Pearce and Brewer join with other states and waive the flag of litigation, they appear to be doing more.
Once again, before we render intelligent opinions, we need the facts.
Tribune, get the facts, the whole and complete facts.
EmperorSmith posted at 7:24 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
if the border was secure and we had viable guest worker cotton picking lettuce hoeing program this would not even be a issue.
rrjenn posted at 7:37 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
LinMesa, are you then in favor of open borders for all foreigners? Do you have any idea what your Christian values would look like if the world converged on America without limit? Look around the world in such places as Haiti or Mexico or most parts of Africa. Would you like a Muslim majority enacting sharia law? You God fearing idiots would have us turn this great country into a sheethole. It may turn that way anyway, but we intend to fight it.
Rich, it's 14% in southern Calif. Yes the peoples republic of calif where the illegals are the majority in some towns is about to go broke and will continue to get bailouts at our expense due primarily to do with sanctuary policies. We should be more like them? Ya right Rich, all we want is to pick everyone's pockets. You keep telling people that cause it really makes you look smart when you say such smart things. Ya keep looking at the illegals while we pick your pockets people. If you had a brain you could easily see that we are trying hard not to have our pockets picked like they allow in TPRC. You don't have any money fool!
rrjenn posted at 7:46 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
EmperorSmith, do you even do any research before blabbering out loud? We have a larger legal immigration policy than all other countries combined. We allow any number of Mexicans to legally come into the US for agricultural reasons. The problem is not that we have too few people coming to America. In fact, the opposite is true in my opinion. Especially when we are so obviously in decline and unemployment is so high. The farmers prefer the illegals cause they can use them anyway they like and no one can complain. Legal immigrant workers have to be paid fair wages and given fair treatment so they wont use them as long as illegal workers are available and the government is hog tied to stop it. If we can secure the border and send the illegals home, the farmers and other employers will be forced to use legal immigrants. Then there is no problem.
EmperorSmith posted at 8:13 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
Do you? I am just trying to be pragmatic, beat your head or fist against the wall all you want not going to solve the problem.
EmperorSmith posted at 8:20 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
If I where to write a letter to EVT I would do what you say I do not. Summit a letter and get back to me.
EmperorSmith posted at 9:32 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
and remember democracy.
rrjenn posted at 10:19 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
LinMesa thinks it is too hateful to look out for one's own interest instead of giving it all away to whoever wants it. Why don't you let them all live in your backyard and spend your money paying their way. Or better yet, move to their country and help them there. We don't want all their hungry little mouths running rampant through ours.
We can just afford to feed our own. No more extra left for them to mooch. Find a new host to suck dry.
rrjenn posted at 10:24 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
EmperorSmith, this isn't a democracy. I'm not surprised to hear you don't know what form of government we have here as you obviously have a poor education. A democracy is where a mob chases a horse thief and when they catch him they all vote weather to hang him or not. A republic, which is what we have here, is where a sheriff comes along and stops the hanging saying that every CITIZEN deserves a trial. I'm sure that subtle difference is lost on most of you here.
EmperorSmith posted at 10:41 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
ueah I flunked out in 9th gradfe
EmperorSmith posted at 10:45 pm on Wed, Jan 5, 2011.
so you want to take to arms? I will be with you until you insult me then I will kill you.
Brittanicus posted at 12:36 pm on Fri, Jan 7, 2011.
UNTIL AMERICANS ACT, THE INVASION OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WILL NEVER CEASE.
Saving America from the illegal immigration occupation, you have to act now? You, as a citizen taxpayer have got to decide your children's future and your grand children's? If you want to end the silent amnesties, the Dream Acts, the 1.5 million low-skilled technical skilled labor imported yearly, the instant citizenship for babies of illegal aliens and the chain migration that ultimately follows, you must show what side of the financial aisle you are on? As for the 14th Amendment may not be repealed, but we--MUST--deport the illegal parents while the child is entitled to stay under the protection of foster parents. However the child can also go with the parents, but can return at age 18. Everybody who is adamantly opposed to the illegal immigration invasion and the hundreds of billions of dollars that is taken annually from your payroll check must become more vocal. To eradicate the support every entitlement program, the free emergency hospital care and the unethical use of your money to school hundreds of thousands of illegal alien children that is overcrowding our schools nationwide. Demand from your Senators and Representatives to do their jobs, they are being paid to do? Insist your elected officials promoting the interests of every citizen and legal resident in our nation and not the 20 million plus of intruders.
Contact the Washington switchboard at 202-224-3121, to be connected with the lawmaker who is supposedly representing your rights. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WILL NEVER STOP, UNLESS YOU SPEAK UP? IT WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE REAL DOUBLE WALL IS BUILT, AS ELECTRIFIED FENCING, UNTIL SUBSTANTIAL FEDERAL TROOPS ARE STATIONED ALONG THE BORDER, UNTIL ENOUGH MANPOWER IS ALLOCATED TO VERIFY THAT VISA OVER STAYERS HAVE GONE HOME, UNTIL ILLEGAL ENTRY IS MADE A FELONY, UNTIL THE E-VERIFY SYSTEM OF VERIFYING WHO CAN WORK IS MADE PERMANENT & BUSINESSES THAT ADAMANTLY IGNORE THIS LAW ARE HEAVILY FINED, LOSE BUSINESS ASSETS AND ARE IMPRISONED.
The Occupation by foreigners will never stop and the costs to subsidize the illegal newcomers will skyrocket to unheard of amounts of your extorted taxes. Remember the empowered TEA PARTY is strongly against any type of illegal immigration and its Politicians are in Washington to fight for you.
To learn more about the invasion, costs and all the paramount problems associated with this nemesis, Go online to Google or other search application to understand the predicament that faces every taxpaying American. Don't listen to the lies and propaganda from the ACLU (American Communist Lawyers Union), governors, Mayors or elected officers, left wing press, religious zealots, corporate entities or any radical group. Many of these people are suffocating this country, with this Liberal extremism “Political Correctness” nonsense? Until we put a halt to public entitlement and jobs to foreign nations, the hordes will always keep coming. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND THEN JUDGE FOR YOURSELF? Join a growing organization that is against your tax dollars pandering to illegal immigration, lowering the numbers of legal immigrants to reduce overpopulation at NumbersUSA.The learn about corruption in Washington and state capitols by viewing the JudicialWatch website.
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Masterrogue666 posted at 9:04 pm on Tue, Jan 11, 2011.
percivale, you speak of RESPECT? Ok, fine by me. Tell me were is the respect of MILLIONS of ILLEGAL ALIENS that IGNORE this country's immigration laws, and go on ignoring those laws by continuing to live here. And it doesn't stop there, were's the RESPECT when many go on to steal the identity of a US CITIZEN, let alone take a job away from a US citizen.
You claim to be here legally, but your ham-handed attempt to turn this into a race issue, and not the LEGAL issue that it is makes me question your veracity....
stevejg61 posted at 12:02 pm on Tue, Mar 29, 2011.
Peasrce needs to go back to school and study history - if there is one to remain open in his district after he gets all of the non-whites kicked out:
Ex 1:
One occurred as far back as 1898, when the high
court said the U.S.-born child of Chinese immigrants who were not
citizens was entitled to citizenship
That, he said, makes no sense.
- Yes it does. Chinese could come to this country, they worked on the transcontinental railroad as labors. However, federal law said chinese could not be citizens through naturalization. they were here legally, just couldn't get citizenship.
Ex. 2:
Native Americans, he said, were not
considered citizens until congressional action in the 20th century
despite the fact it was clear they were born within the boundaries
of the United States.
There are still some words in the Constitution that seem anti -Indian - how would he like it if they decided to apply the words that say: except Indians, not taxed. The other reason might well be that the "reservations" are considered nations and thus exempt from US juridiction. Or they might have been considered more as jails where people are denied certain rights.
Now where does he stand on things like people born on overseas military bases? John McCain was born in the Panama Canal zone and 2 years after his birth he was granted citizenship - natural born no less. Is he really a natural born citizen? Or how about the guy in WA recently at 95 found out he was not a US citrizen because his American born parents (can't be proved because they were born before the 1890's) had him in Canada - and he even served in the military in WWII. Is he here illegally?
What i would really like to see is an investigation about Mr. Pearce's living arrangements. He seems to despise non-whites something fierce, yet if you were to go through his district - near Fiesta Mall - it would seem he is in the minority. does he really reside there given his attitudes?
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