MEXICO CITY — A new study suggests there may be 100,000 fewer Hispanics in Arizona than there were before the debate over the state's tough new immigration law earlier this year.
BBVA Bancomer Research, which did the study, worked with figures from the U.S. Current Population Survey. The study says the decline could be due to the law known as SB 1070, which partly entered into effect in July, or to Arizona's difficult economic situation.
The study released Wednesday also cites Mexican government figures as saying that 23,380 Mexicans returned from Arizona to Mexico between June and September.
U.S. census figures from 2008 say about 30 percent of people living in Arizona are Hispanic, or about 1.9 million.
The state is appealing a ruling that put on hold parts of the law, which would have allowed police to question the immigration status of those they suspect are in the country illegally.
Immigrants are heavily employed in Arizona's construction industry, which has suffered — along with the rest of the state's economy — in the economic downturn.
In that and other studies released at the Global Forum on Migration and Development in the Pacific coast resort of Puerto Vallarta, BBVA Bancomer Research — part of the financial group of the same name — estimated that probably about 720,000 Mexican migrants were unemployed in the United States when the study concluded in late October.
The study also predicts that remittances — the money sent home by migrants working abroad — won't recover their peak value of about $26 billion until 2012 or 2013.
Remittances fell in 2008 and 2009, largely because of the U.S. slowdown.
Remittances are Mexico's second-largest source of foreign income after oil exports. Nearly all of the money comes from the U.S., where nearly 12 million Mexicans live.
The research center also estimated that remittances were dwarfed by the amount of money Mexican migrants paid in taxes in the United States — about $53 billion in 2008.
devils66 posted at 1:26 pm on Fri, Nov 12, 2010.
I haven't even noticed that many were gone. I haven't noticed any were gone.
mlimberg posted at 7:18 pm on Fri, Nov 12, 2010.
It's a good start....
Guest3875 posted at 4:01 am on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
rrjenn wrote:
"So how do you all like Mexico getting 53 billion of our money in 2008?"
The article reads:
"The research center also estimated that remittances were dwarfed by the amount of money Mexican migrants paid in taxes in the United States — about $53 billion in 2008."
Hey rrjenn,
The article reads Mexican migrants PAID the US $53B in taxes, not Mexico...inflammatory comments may be your Constitutional right, but please read the article and comment appropriately, not twist it, thanks.
Masterrogue666 posted at 5:12 am on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
Guest3875: ILLEGAL ALIENS pay taxes? Explain to me how. So get money "under the table" (Day laborers). Some use another person's SSN. Do you really think ILLEGAL ALIENS fill out a W2 form, et al? I'd love to see how they came up with that number.
By the way, I've also heard that donkeys can fly....
Guest3875 posted at 5:44 am on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
Rogue,
Excellent question. My assumption is that the article took into account the fact that human beings (ILLEGAL or not) need to eat, buy clothing, gas and other various and sundry items...they probably calculated how may Mexican migrant workers (+/- their families) live in the US and estimated the yearly costs of the above mentioned items. $53B seems like a good chunk of change, but with a good estimate of the amount of migrant workers in the US, a number like that could be reached. Granted, these are all assumptions.
Guest3875 posted at 5:48 am on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
Rogue, sorry, cannot go back and edit. I am assuming the Tax revenue that goes to the US comes. From sales taxes.
Poorman posted at 6:49 am on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
Good news,now if we can get another 100m or more illegals to leave that would be great.To some extent SB1070 is working.Hopefully the legal migrants etc.that are here won't leavethey do'nt have to,and shouldn't.
madblogger posted at 1:54 pm on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
That's not enough. There's 4 x's that many hiding around.
Masterrogue666 posted at 5:56 pm on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
Guest3875: They are looking at very specific info.
Here's some interesting information:
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
Masterrogue666 posted at 6:28 pm on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
Guest3875: Want to know about more TRUE costs:
http://www.statelegislatorsforlegalimmigration.com/
rrjenn posted at 9:16 pm on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
Staggering Cost Of Illegal
Aliens In America
Taxpayers Taken To The Cleaners
By Frosty Wooldridge
4-10-8
Illegal alien migration into the United States costs American taxpayers $346 billion annually reported by the National Research Council. While employers of illegal aliens rake-in billions of dollars, the US citizens subsidize what may be called organized "Slavery in 21st Century America."
While Congress facilitates outsourcing, insourcing and offshoring of American jobs by the thousands weekly, that same Congress imports 182,000 legal immigrant monthly who need jobs. Another estimated 100,000 illegal aliens arrive each month without jobs. All those immigrants seize jobs from American citizens at slave wages.
What happens to the American taxpayer?
"Immigrants are poorer, pay less tax, and are more likely to receive public benefits than American citizens," said Edwin Rubenstein, reporting on the National Research Council's new book: "The New Americans: Economic, Demographics and Fiscal Effects of Immigration." The Social Contract Winter 2007-08. www.thesoicalcontract.com
The NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in federal welfare and pays $10,664.00 in federal taxes. Thus, American taxpayers shell out $2,682.00 for each immigrant household.
In addition, the report showed that immigrants affect 15 different executive agencies of the U.S. government.
Earned Income Tax Credit-fraud is rampant and IRS does little to verify existence of children. Clean Air and Climate Change-these goals are unattainable as long as US population grows-driven by unending immigration. Emergency medical treatment-US taxpayer money provides $250 million a year to help hospitals defray costs for illegal aliens. Bureau of Land Management-the Interior Department spends $1 million to mitigate environmental damage done by illegals crossing US southern border. Migrant educational grants-intended to help states educate children of illegal workers. More fraud from over-counting. Office of Foreign Labor Certification-immigrant workers depress wages for US citizens resulting in declines in federal revenues at $100 billion annually.
As shown on CBS with Katie Couric this past week, 300,000 pregnant Mexican women cross the border to birth their babies, known as 'anchor babies', in American hospitals at an average cost of $6,000.00 per birth with no complications. If the child suffers heart defects, Downs Syndrome, Autism or any other problems, the costs jump to $500,000.00 with long term care into the millions of dollars. All footed by the America taxpayer!
Not mentioned in Couric's report, that child enjoys free breakfasts and lunches through 13 years of publicly funded education at an average cost of $7,000.00 per year. Additionally, American taxpayers foot the bill for all medical and housing assistance for the child and mother. More hidden costs add up with ESL classes to teach the child English. Connecticut alone suffers 120 languages in their schools while Colorado suffers over 40 foreign languages that cripple their classrooms.
The list of expenses paid for by American taxpayer soars with time and numbers of illegal aliens. Additionally, legal immigrants sponsor their relatives in chain migration and family reunification at US taxpayer expense.
These immigrants take American jobs while they burn American taxpayer funds for immigrant welfare. This all happens while the US national debt approaches $10 trillion. Immigrants flood into this country while jobs cascade out to China where we owe $1 trillion in T-bills as of 2008. Additionally, we suffer a $700 billion annual trade deficit.
Once those illegal aliens hit this country, half of them work off the books and do not pay $401 billion dollars annually according to the 2005 Bear Stearns Report. Additionally, they form the second largest underground economy in the world. Both legal and illegal immigrants send $80 billion back to their home countries in cash transfers on untaxed money.
When does it end? Not any time soon! Who pays? You do! Like the proverbial golden calf, the United States taxpayer bleeds to death daily while our president and Congress fiddle, faddle and scratch their generous rear ends while they facilitate the death of America's middle class.
Our politicians create the problems they campaign to solve; but once in office, as John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have proven with their time in the U.S. Senate-they work more against Americans than for them. The proof in the aforementioned report is, as they say, "in the pudding!"
rrjenn posted at 9:40 pm on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
In 2009, Latinos made up 37 percent of the state's population, a number that continues to increase, according to the California Department of Finance.
Latinos now make up a majority of California's public school students, cracking the 50 percent barrier for the first time in the state's history, according to data released Friday by the state Department of Education
Pretty easy to see where Mexifornia is going. Hey Forky, you want Arizona to go south too? [beam]
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/13/MNIG1GBD0C.DTL&tsp=1
rrjenn posted at 9:52 pm on Sat, Nov 13, 2010.
Looks like Mexifornia's future is bleak. Don't you love it Forky?
Latinos now make up a majority of California's public school students, cracking the 50 percent barrier for the first time in the state's history, according to data released Friday by the state Department of Education.
Almost 50.4 percent of the state's students in the 2009-10 school year identified themselves as Hispanic or Latino, up 1.36 percent from the previous year.
In comparison, 27 percent of California's 6.2 million students identified themselves as white, 9 percent as Asian and 7 percent as black. Students calling themselves Filipino, Pacific Islander, Native American or other total almost 7 percent.
While the result was no surprise to educators, experts say the shift underscores the huge impact Latinos already have on California's politics, economy and school system.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/12/MNIG1GBD0C.DTL#ixzz15EGJ4q8r
rrjenn posted at 11:48 am on Sun, Nov 14, 2010.
The Push For Amnesty For Illegal Aliens
The Obama Administration's defense of "comprehensive immigration reform" (a.k.a amnesty) was presented by Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano in an address at the Center for American Progress on November 13, 2009. The following analysis uses statements made by the Secretary to identify the Administration's arguments and then discusses the logic or illogic of the statement.
Napolitano — "Everybody recognizes that our current system isn't working and that our immigration laws need to change."
Analysis — It is not so much that our immigration laws need to change as enforcement of our immigration laws needs to change. It doesn't matter what laws are on the books if DHS will not enforce them. Napolitano's statement implies that because foreigners continue to ignore our immigration laws they need to be changed. That sidesteps the real issue of how can foreigners and US employers be made to respect and comply with the law. The Administration's view appears to be that employers who want cheap labor and foreign workers who want jobs should be accommodated rather than defending the best interests of the American people. Illegal immigration will continue until there is widespread awareness that it will not be tolerated and neither illegal aliens nor their employers will be able to continue to flout the law. Besides, the change in the law that the Administration advocates is an amnesty for the current millions of illegal aliens and an increased level of legal immigration — both of which are rejected by the majority of Americans.
Napolitano — "I'm referring to what I call the "three-legged stool" that includes a commitment to serious and effective enforcement, improved legal flows for families and workers, and a firm but fair way to deal with those who are already here."
Analysis — All should agree that there should be "serious and effective enforcement." Clearly, if anyone who wanted to work in the United States were allowed to come legally, there would be less illegal immigration, but this would not be in the interests of U.S. workers and the general public. That is an issue that must be faced and cannot be glibly sidestepped. "Improved legal flows" means increased legal immigration. With more than a million immigrants receiving 'green cards' each year since 2000, current immigration is swamping the nation's assimilation capacity and causing most of the rapid population increase that is jeopardizing the nation's environmental future. "A firm but fair way to deal with those already here" is a code term for amnesty. It means allowing illegal aliens to stay permanently unless they have a criminal record. Requirements to pay some back taxes and to learn English are meaningless, because past practice demonstrates that these requirements will be forgotten or waived in the process of granting legal status.
So, of the three legs of the stool, only one leg — law enforcement — makes sense and has broad public support, and support for even that leg depends on what law is to be enforced and whether the enforcement is effective.
Napolitano — "Americans value our identity as both a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws."
Analysis — Respect for the law, and valuing our immigration history does not mean that the United States must accept the never-ending millions who say they would like to come here, nor does it mean that employers, who would like to be hire millions of cheap foreign workers, must be accommodated. Legal immigration has soared from about a quarter million persons per year in the late 1960s to more than one million a year since 2000. Our immigration history unfortunately includes periods of severe exploitation of foreign workers in sweatshops and in agriculture. Our laws that restrict legal immigration and outlaw illegal immigration are intended to prevent such abuse. Unfortunately, the lack of will by recent administrations to enforce those laws is reigniting the immigration abuses of the past.
Napolitano — "The security of the Southwest border has been transformed from where it was in 2007"
Analysis — Border fencing has made illegal entry more difficult, as has the increase in Border Patrol personnel and resources — including the currently abandoned National Guard presence. But, the US borders are far from secure. And, most of the enhanced border security measures Napolitano cited were begun during the second term of the Bush Administration, such as the increase in Border Patrol agents and the passage of the Secure Fence Act. The Obama Administration has refused to let the National Guard be redeployed to the border despite requests from border states. Napolitano cites progress in stopping the flow of cash, guns and drugs across the border, but this does not translate into stopping the illegal flow of people. Our continued inability to control our border would not be improved by amnesty, because that would only increase the temptation to enter illegally. The only real way to effectively fight the people smugglers is by diminishing their clientele by shutting down the U.S. job opportunities that attract illegal entrants.
Napolitano — "We have replaced old [interior enforcement] policies that merely looked tough with policies that are designed to actually be effective."
Analysis — The opposite is the case. DHS under Napolitano has abandoned an enforcement effort that was resulting in prosecution of employers and removal of illegal workers and replaced it with a policy that is focused on employment document audits. That policy shift may inconvenience some employers and cause some illegal aliens to lose their jobs, but it leaves the illegal worker the opportunity to take another job that otherwise would be filled by an American worker. This new policy abandons any effective deterrence against hiring illegal workers through prosecution. Furthermore, DHS has cut back on one of the most promising interior enforcement operations. The 287(g) immigration enforcement program that assists local agencies in partnering with DHS has been restricted so that locally deputized police can no longer count on DHS to back them up when they apprehend illegal aliens.
Napolitano — "New biometric technology allows us to take the fingerprints of people coming into the United States and compare their prints against databases we couldn't access before."
Analysis — Napolitano would have the public believe that the nation now is safer because DHS is collecting the fingerprints of foreign travelers. But, that does nothing to solve the problem of our vulnerability to foreigners staying illegally and taking American jobs. Arriving illegal entrants get fingerprinted only if they are apprehended by the Border Patrol. Furthermore, it is dissimulation to claim that the fingerprinting of arriving foreign travelers will be an effective deterrent to illegal residence and working in the U.S. as long as there continues to be no record of the departure of foreigners that can be matched with entry data to identify foreigners staying illegally.
Napolitano — "DHS needs immigration reform."
Analysis — Napolitano states she wants tougher enforcement laws against smugglers and fines against employers of illegal workers. Congress could pass those changes in a heartbeat if it were not for the fact that the Administration is holding those reforms hostage to their efforts to leverage adoption of an amnesty for illegal aliens.
Napolitano — "We will never have fully effective law enforcement or national security as long as so many millions remain in the shadows."
Analysis — Effective immigration law enforcement and national security clearly require reducing the illegal alien population. But, rather than an amnesty that rewards illegal immigration - as was done in 1986 — true reform requires that the illegal alien population be reduced through enforcement. Effective denial of the jobs aliens come to take illegally is necessary to encourage them to return to their homeland.
Napolitano — "We have to make sure the immigration system works to support American families, businesses and workers."
Analysis — By "support American families," Napolitano appears either to be thinking that anyone living in the United States, without regard to their legal status, is an American family or is using that phrase to describe illegal alien families that contain a U.S. citizen. The children born here to illegal aliens — anchor babies — are U.S. citizens and cannot be deported even though they usually will also have the nationality of their parents, i.e., dual nationals, and that creates an emotional context in fighting deportation. But, Napolitano's statement ignores the fact that U.S. policy assists families to stay together by accommodating deported aliens in taking their dependent U.S. children with them. Secretary Napolitano's reference to supporting American businesses, boils down to allowing employers of illegal aliens, who have benefited from their willingness to work for lower wages than American workers, to be able to continue to have those services available by making the workers legal through an amnesty. The alternative, of course, is to deny the employers the continued access to the foreign workers so that they will hire unemployed Americans. By support for American workers, Napolitano appears to be thinking of illegal workers, because they are the only ones who would benefit by amnesty. Amnesty would permanently undermine wages and working conditions as well as undercut job opportunities for unemployed American workers, and it would perpetuate future illegal immigration.
Napolitano — "[Amnesty for illegal aliens] will strengthen our economy as these immigrants become full-paying taxpayers."
Analysis — Aside from the recognition that most illegal workers and their employers cheat by ignoring the tax laws, this statement is wrong. While more taxes might be collected from workers if they were using valid Social Security numbers, the alien workers would also gain a greater opportunity to apply for credits and refunds, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit and child credits for poor workers with families. That would mean a drain on tax revenue rather than an increase. Furthermore, the greatest possible economic gain would result from putting unemployed Americans to work so that welfare and unemployment payments would decrease. In addition, illegal alien reduction through enforcement would reduce the flow of foreign remittances being sent out of the country. Those billions of dollars sent abroad cost the United States not only in the balance of payments debt, but also as a result of the impact on the U.S. economy from lost sales, production and jobs.
Napolitano — "Executives in Silicon Valley...want to increase their workforce and help get the economy moving again, but some of the major barriers they have to growing their companies are visa laws that make it difficult for high-skilled foreigners to stay here to work."
Analysis — High-tech employers continue to hire foreign workers while similarly qualified American workers are laid off.1 There is no requirement that American workers be given preference before a company hires foreign high tech workers. More than 20,000 U.S. high-tech jobs were lost in July 2009.2 Foreign workers are not smarter or better educated than U.S. workers, but they are more easily exploitable and accept lower wages. If high-tech employers really prized their foreign workers, they would sponsor more of them for immigrant visas at the end of the 6-year nonimmigrant visas. Instead they find it easier to replace those foreign employees — like they do American employees — with a new crop of younger foreign workers. It should come as no surprise that U.S. high-tech employers would like to expand the practice that already allows for more than 100,000 jobs a year to go to foreign professional workers through H-1B visas, intra-company transfer visas and NAFTA visas.
Napolitano — "We need to revise our current provisions for legal migration to help assure a legal workforce in cases where businesses can't find Americans to fill their jobs."
Analysis — This statement ignores the fact that businesses should never be allowed to discriminate against American workers by hiring foreign workers at lower wages. Our law already provides visa programs that allow U.S. businesses to hire guest workers until market forces can supply American workers. Unfortunately, however, agricultural and other employers have been allowed to become addicted to exploiting illegal alien workers, leading to depressed wages that now discourage American workers from taking these jobs. This merely perpetuates the employers' claim that Americans do not want the jobs and needs to be reversed. This practice of exploitation may be seen in the fact that most seasonal crop employers choose to hire illegal workers rather than use the legal guestworker program that has higher costs resulting from the protections for both the American and foreign workers.
Napolitano — "No one should have to wait in a line for years in order to reunite with a spouse or a young child."
Analysis — Immigrant visas allow a spouse and minor children to accompany the principal visa recipient with no wait. The new foreign spouse of a U.S. citizen similarly is not delayed by any numerical limits, and that applies to the minor children of that spouse if there are any at the time of the marriage. So, what is Secretary Napolitano talking about? She likely is referring to the immigrant from a country that already has a very large immigration flow and has run into per country limits — like India or China — who decides to return to the home country to find a spouse. In that narrow circumstance, spouses of immigrants may face a long wait for a visa. The alternative to the wait is for the immigrant to become a U.S. citizen before deciding to seek a foreign spouse.
Napolitano — "We must modernize our laws for the 21st century."
Analysis — What Secretary Napolitano describes as 'modernization' is really a pretext for adopting a new amnesty for illegal aliens. If DHS vigorously enforced the law, our current system would work infinitely better. Rather than adopt an amnesty to permanently accommodate millions of immigration lawbreakers, the country needs to restore a moderate level of immigration — far fewer than the more than one million legal immigrants arriving each year added to the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, further added to by the more than 100,000 new guestworkers arriving each year. America in the 21st century has different needs than America in the 20th or 19th century. The country no longer depends on large numbers of manual laborers for our industrial production. Our country is now densely populated in our major cities that merge into one another. It makes no sense to expand immigration by legal or illegal means. U.S. law should recognize our current demographic limits and revert to a moderate level of legal immigration and discourage illegal immigration. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the form of modernization that Ms. Napolitano supports.
ArizonaRising posted at 11:32 pm on Sun, Nov 14, 2010.
100,000 lawbreakers or those who sympathize with lawbreakers....
rrjenn posted at 10:02 am on Mon, Nov 15, 2010.
Ya ArizonaRising, That's about a quarter of the illegal population here in Arizona. Unfortunately, the Mexicans say only 23,380 went back to Mexico. The rest went to other places like New Mexico where they're treated better than they deserve. We had to start at the state level due to the inaction of our federal government, but some day down the road we will be able to make proper immigration laws at the federal level, and sanctuary cities and states will be a thing of the past. One of the ironies of these sanctuaries is that they are reimbursed by the feds for the costs of jailing illegals when they themselves are responsible for the problems caused by these people. When will these libertards learn? When we shove it down their throats.
rrjenn posted at 10:11 am on Mon, Nov 15, 2010.
WASHINGTON, Nov. 8, 2010 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A new Center for Immigration Studies Memorandum finds that the Department of Justice annually awards millions of dollars in grants to local governments to compensate for the cost of jailing illegal aliens, even when those governments have policies obstructing immigration law enforcement or encouraging illegal settlement. The report includes a list of the 27 sanctuary jurisdictions receiving grants in 2010.
The grant program, known as the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP), doled out a total of $400 million to about 850 cities, counties, and states in 2010. Among them were 27 jurisdictions widely considered to be sanctuary jurisdictions, which together received more than $62.6 million, or 15.6 percent of the total. For example, the 2010 SCAAP grantees include some jurisdictions – such as San Francisco, Chicago, Santa Clara County, Calif., Washington, D.C., and Arlington, Va. – which are trying to opt out of Secure Communities, the program that automatically flags criminal aliens for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) attention at the time they are booked into jail.
The authors suggest a remedy: restrict eligibility for SCAAP grants to those jurisdictions that agree to work with ICE to identify and remove criminal aliens by participating in Secure Communities, 287(g), or similar programs.
k33j88 posted at 8:12 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.
Heard recently that "wooping cough" is on the rise in calif. How many more diseases are we being subjected to by these illegals?
k33j88 posted at 8:13 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.
sorry-----whooping cough
rrjenn posted at 10:43 am on Tue, Nov 16, 2010.
Children of illegals are not getting immunization shots as most American's children do. Either by stupidity or fear of deportation. So the people of Mexifornia pay the price once more. One can only wonder how long that state is going to put up with the invasion. They need to be isolated and made to pay for their mistake.
hillstreet posted at 10:05 am on Wed, Nov 17, 2010.
rrjenn, thanks for proving my point; it is cool to be a racist in AZ. Why don't we just declare a hunting season on brown people? I already have the slogan, " if your brown, you get shot down. " (the bad grammar is intentional, for the benefit of the rednecks on this site)
AZ game & Fish could do a whole TV/radio campaign.
ReichMarshall Pierce and GED Brewer will love it.
forkedlift1 posted at 10:55 am on Thu, Nov 18, 2010.
Hillstreet,
I saw your brief comment (how true) posted yesterday morning and within two hours your comment also disappeared…. as have all "forkedlift1" posts.
If you haven't noticed, all comments critical of the Russell Pearce mentality or Pearce's devout followers that were posted to articles under the Tribune's topic "Immigration" have been removed. Zap! Gone forever. No thinking allowed.
What remains has not only destroyed the Tribune's credibility as a legitimate online website for readers, but has turned its website into a vehicle for Russell Pearce propaganda.
Probably to save face with its online advertisers, this morning the Tribune added an old October article to its list of Immigration articles, "Pearce seeks to deny birth certificates to children of illegal immigrants," and left all 68 readers' comments intact. I suspect that all negative comments about Pearce or his brainstorm to violate the 14th Amendment on that article will also soon disappear. Now you see it, now you don't.
Just as my comment here will quickly see its demise. When it does, I'll repost it again a few times, as has occurred before, which will prove the point about the Pearce propagandists.
hillstreet posted at 12:32 pm on Thu, Nov 18, 2010.
The Third Reich lives again, thanks to Russell.
(let's see how long this one lasts)
azrepublican posted at 9:50 pm on Thu, Nov 18, 2010.
I think instead of sparing over who is a Nazi and who is a racist, we should instead be trying to find a solution to the problem. Some think the solution is to open the borders. Most of us disagree and feel that the illegal aliens should go home and start from there. We can all agree that the immigration laws of 1965 aren't what the country needs at this time. It seems we are at a standoff and cannot make any headway either direction. Something needs to give. I think if we are going to do anything about the illegal immigration situation, we need to start where the problem started, at the border. If the American people could feel sure that our government has secured the border and that no more illegal immigration will happen again, I believe we could then entertain the idea of giving citizenship to the 12 to 20 million people here illegally or at least some of them.
azrepublican posted at 10:04 pm on Thu, Nov 18, 2010.
If that is true hillstreet, then the majority of this country are Nazi sympathizers, and this current federal government are communists. Of course, we both know none of that is true. To say either is inflammatory and serves no purpose. Anything constructive on your mind?
forkedlift1 posted at 9:01 am on Fri, Nov 19, 2010.
We'll try this post again since it too disappeared.
Hillstreet, nice to see that your wry TR post returned from oblivion, and for the brief time your Wednesday post returned to the Pearce Propaganda Press, I enjoyed re-reading it.
In order for brainwashing to succeed, you see, the internet must first be cleansed of the diversity of thought.
BTW, anybody see on the news last night the uproarious clip of the Indiana Republican congressman orating on the House floor about how bad matters are on the border, how bad the federal government is for not doing its job on the border, and blah, blah, blah, and how bad the federal government is for suing...."what's the name of that state again?" He couldn't remember or didn't know the name of the state and somebody within earshot of his oration had to tell him "Arizona."
azrepublican posted at 11:04 am on Fri, Nov 19, 2010.
Why is this post being deleted?
If that is true hillstreet, then the majority of this country are Nazi sympathizers, and this current federal government are communists. Of course, we both know none of that is true. To say either is inflammatory and serves no purpose. Anything constructive on your mind?
rrjenn posted at 9:58 am on Sat, Nov 20, 2010.
"The Third Reich lives again, thanks to Russell."
Pretty lame even for a lefty. For hill, very intelligent.
rrjenn posted at 9:57 pm on Mon, Nov 22, 2010.
Hey forky, you getting tingles up your leg re-reading hills posts still?
forky says "In order for brainwashing to succeed, you see, the internet must first be cleansed of the diversity of thought. "?
I guess you know about cleansing diversity of thought since you've been doing here quite a lot lately. Can't stand the pressure? lol
Masterrogue666 posted at 8:24 pm on Sat, Nov 27, 2010.
Hillstreet/Forked: If your comments are being deleted, then I'd guess there's a good purpose for it. Basically, you must not be following the RULES in posting. But what can we expect since you condone the breaking of Federal and State laws....
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